MOVED: Japan and Russia non-aggression pact rules. Free Units?

@FranceNeedsMorePower

Oh well. I hope you learned something from it. I always do after my losses.

@Navymule:

I stand corrected.  However, they (USSR) could declare war upon Japan and then attack a neutral such as Turkey, right?

No again, sorry:

@rulebook:

Due to its separate treaties with Germany and Japan, the Soviet Union is in a unique position in its relationship with the
Axis powers. As a result, if the Soviet Union is at war with Axis powers on only one map, it is still under the restrictions
of being a neutral power (see “Powers Not at War with One Another,” page 15) on the other map, and Axis powers on
the other map are also still under those restrictions regarding the Soviet Union on both maps. For example, a state of
war with only Japan lifts the neutrality restrictions from the Soviet Union on the Pacific map only, and allows Japanese
units to attack or fly over Soviet-controlled territories on either map. However, the Soviet Union is still restricted on
the Europe map, …

Locke888

Some people like simple some like complex….some like logic some like regimented rules

I agree with you…some are now calling it a National objective…I read it as non aggression pact in a political situation and that action is AGGRESSION. What I do know is I am not wrong…nor are people who agree with this move…this rule is simply left to interpretation…that’s all there is to it

No coincidence that there are so many house rules…why are they there? Because it is a great game and it has flaws and mistakes and rules that are not clear. I bet you there is not a player who plays this game who has not sat there and looked at a rule to go from section to section to get a clarification for at least 10 minutes during a game.

As for logic…if you are playing strategists…throw that out of the window…if you are playing historical folks…you can get somewhere…and then there is the in between and there you negotiate

@Zhukov44:

I don’t do this move as the Soviets because Japan starts with too many units in Korea/Manchuria and too much aircraft in range of Amur.

I think it’s a mistake for Japan to use its fleet/transports to attack Amur J1–they can still attack without any transports and divert a strategic bomber to Yunnan and still have 100% odds with an average +25 tuv swing.  If they send their fleet and transports south they’ll be in good position for a J2 or J3 declaration, but if Japans’ transports/fleet are stuck in sz6, Japan will have to put off its declaration till J3.

But I’m uncertain about it because however good this attack looks for Japan on paper, it will divert alot of troops from China.  The extra 6 inf in Mongolia help make up for the Allied tuv loss.  But the Soviets will also lose out financially because Japan will conquer Siberia quickly.

Massing Amur on R2 seems like the better move because the bulk of Japan’s airforce is usually out of range of Amur on J2.

Agree

@ChocolatePancake:

I also sometimes go south: west africa - egypt - persia - moscow

Out of necessity, I guess :-D?
I also do that sometimes, if I see Italy and/or Germany have the option of killing my RAF without loosing any aircraft themselves.

I have not played Japan very often but I am not one to hit the US right off.  I like to secure China and the DEI first.  Cripple or take India and pressure the ANZAC’s is next while harrassing the US with landings in Alaska and the Philipeans.  Alaska doesn’t really mean that much but most US palyers will not want Japanese forces in North America.  Once Japan’s IPC level is up and I can build more capitol ships and planes, that is when I move to really hit the US fleet.  An Aggressive US player will make this stratagy much harder to pull off though.  the game I am currently playing, the Japan player did hit the Hawaiian fleet on round one and took it on round two.  The US player has been so focused on the Japan player that the Italians have taken Brazil and the Germans have landed in the West Indies and convoy raided the east coast of the US.  Britain has had no help and is barely hanging on.  The round 1 DOW can work if you have the right kind of player in position.  To give the US player credit, he has begun to make some better playes and is pushing back but he is having to regain alot of lost ground which really help the axis players be more aggressive.

I’ve seen some threads with the question how many units does each country have? So I took my two sets and figured it out, the results are as follows.

–--------------------------------------------------- Allies –--------------------------------------------------

**US

Europe**
Infantry- 20
Artillery- 6
Mechanized Infantry- 6
Tanks- 6
Fighters- 7
Tactical Bombers- 6
Bombers- 6
Sub- 6
Transport- 6
Destroyer- 6
Cruiser- 4
Aircraft Carrier- 4
Battleship- 4

Pacific
Infantry-20
Artillery- 6
Mechanized Infantry- 6
Tanks- 6
Fighters- 8
Tactical Bombers- 6
Bombers- 6
Sub- 6
Transport- 6
Destroyer- 6
Cruiser- 4
Aircraft Carrier- 4
Battleship- 4
–------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
**United Kingdom

Europe**
Infantry- 20
Artillery- 8
Mechanized Infantry- 6
Tanks- 8
Fighters- 8
Tactical Bombers- 6
Bombers- 6
Sub- 6
Transport- 6
Destroyer- 6
Cruiser-4
Aircraft Carrier- 2
Battleship- 4

Pacific
Infantry- 18
Artillery- 6
Mechanized Infantry- 6
Tanks- 8
Fighters- 7
Tactical Bombers- 6
Bombers- 6
Sub-6
Transport- 6
Destroyer- 6
Cruiser- 4
Aircraft Carrier- 2
Battleship- 4
–------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ANZAC

Infantry- 20
Artillery- 6
Mechanized Infantry- 6
Tanks- 8
Fighters- 8
Tactical Bombers- 5
Bombers- 6
Sub- 6
Transport- 5
Destroyer- 6
Cruiser- 4
Aircraft Carrier- 2
Battleship- 4
–------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Russia

Infantry- 40
Artillery- 8
Mechanized Infantry- 8
Tanks-10
Fighters- 8
Tactical Bombers- 9
Bombers- 2
Sub-4
Transport- 4
Destroyer- 4
Cruiser- 2
Aircraft Carrier- 2
Battleship- 2
–--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
France

Infantry- 20
Artillery- 8
Mechanized Infantry- 6
Tanks- 10
Fighters- 8
Tactical Bombers- 6
Bombers- 2
Sub- 4
Transport- 4
Destroyer- 3
Cruiser- 2
Aircraft Carrier- 2
Battleship- 2
–--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
China

Infantry- 30
Artillery- 0
Mechanized Infantry- 0
Tanks- 0
Fighters- 0
Tactical Bombers- 0
Bombers- 0
Sub- 0
Transport- 0
Destroyer- 0
Cruiser- 0
Aircraft Carrier- 0
Battleship- 0

–--------------------------------------------------- Axis –---------------------------------------------------

Japan

Infantry- 40
Artillery- 12
Mechanized Infantry- 6
Tanks- 12
Fighters- 16
Tactical Bombers- 6
Bombers- 8
Sub-12
Transport- 12
Destroyer- 12
Cruiser- 8
Aircraft Carrier- 8
Battleship- 8

–--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Germany

Infantry- 40
Artillery-8
Mechanized Infantry- 9
Tanks- 12
Fighters- 8
Tactical Bombers- 9
Bombers- 4
Sub- 6
Transport- 6
Destroyer- 6
Cruiser- 4
Aircraft Carrier- 2
Battleship- 2

–--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Italy

Infantry- 21
Artillery- 8
Mechanized Infantry- 6
Tanks- 12
Fighters- 8
Tactical Bombers- 6
Bombers- 4
Sub- 6
Transport- 6
Destroyer- 6
Cruiser- 4
Aircraft Carrier- 2
Battleship- 2

Maybe he’s tidy and he wants to put the right units in the right box after the game is finished. If so: draw a small dot on the bottom of each unit.

… not for both East and West of course  :lol: