A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.
Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.
Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.
Hi PainState,
From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.
There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â
Imperious leader’s best moves for AAE40/ AAG40:
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@Imperious:
Imperious leader’s best moves for AAE40/ AAG40:
Attacks SZ 109 with 1 Bomber 1 sub
Attacks SZ 110 with 1 Tactical, 1 Fighter, 2 SS
Attacks SZ 111 with 1 tactical, 1 Fighter, 2 SS
Attacks SZ 112 with 1 BB, 1CA, 1 Tactical, 1 Fighter
Attacks France with 5 tanks, 4 Mechanized, 2 Artillery, 6 Infantry, 1 Fighterhow does bomber from germany reach SZ109
i thought:
no air base 6 moves
1 to west germany
1 to holland
1 to 110
1 to 109
1 to attack (we have been playing you have to attack with plane when against navy is this wrong?)
1 to 110
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@Imperious:
Imperious leader’s best moves for AAE40/ AAG40:
Attacks SZ 109 with 1 Bomber 1 sub
Attacks SZ 110 with 1 Tactical, 1 Fighter, 2 SS
Attacks SZ 111 with 1 tactical, 1 Fighter, 2 SS
Attacks SZ 112 with 1 BB, 1CA, 1 Tactical, 1 Fighter
Attacks France with 5 tanks, 4 Mechanized, 2 Artillery, 6 Infantry, 1 Fighterhow does bomber from germany reach SZ109
i thought:
no air base 6 moves
1 to west germany
1 to holland
1 to 110
1 to 109
1 to attack (we have been playing you have to attack with plane when against navy is this wrong?)
1 to 110
1 to land in hollandThe bomber can’t reach that right? It’s in east germany
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Attacks SZ 109 with 1 Bomber 1 sub
4 and 2 against 2. Whats the flaw? You want the fighter in it too for over kill?
The fighter can save potential German loses of armor in Paris.
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@Imperious:
Attacks SZ 109 with 1 Bomber 1 sub
4 and 2 against 2. Whats the flaw? You want the fighter in it too for over kill?
The fighter can save potential German loses of armor in Paris.
Bomber can’t reach. It’s in (East) Germany, which has no airbase. Same thing as when you advocated attacking the carrier fleet with 2 SS, 1 bmr G1
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@Imperious:
Attacks SZ 109 with 1 Bomber 1 sub
4 and 2 against 2. Whats the flaw? You want the fighter in it too for over kill?
The fighter can save potential German loses of armor in Paris.
Bomber can’t reach. It’s in (East) Germany, which has no airbase. Same thing as when you advocated attacking the carrier fleet with 2 SS, 1 bmr G1
The Bomber can make it. Flightpath: Germany into 113, 112, 110, 109, 110, Holland, or alternatively: Germany into West Germany, Holland, 110, 109, 110, Holland
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@Imperious:
Attacks SZ 109 with 1 Bomber 1 sub
4 and 2 against 2. Whats the flaw? You want the fighter in it too for over kill?
The fighter can save potential German loses of armor in Paris.
Bomber can’t reach. It’s in (East) Germany, which has no airbase. Same thing as when you advocated attacking the carrier fleet with 2 SS, 1 bmr G1
The Bomber can make it. Flightpath: Germany into 113, 112, 110, 109, 110, Holland, or alternatively: Germany into West Germany, Holland, 110, 109, 110, Holland
i dont have a rule book infront of me but it is my understanding that it takes one move turn to attack navy with aircraft.
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@Imperious:
Attacks SZ 109 with 1 Bomber 1 sub
4 and 2 against 2. Whats the flaw? You want the fighter in it too for over kill?
The fighter can save potential German loses of armor in Paris.
Bomber can’t reach. It’s in (East) Germany, which has no airbase. Same thing as when you advocated attacking the carrier fleet with 2 SS, 1 bmr G1
The Bomber can make it. Flightpath: Germany into 113, 112, 110, 109, 110, Holland, or alternatively: Germany into West Germany, Holland, 110, 109, 110, Holland
i dont have a rule book infront of me but it is my understanding that it takes one move turn to attack navy with aircraft.
I don’t think so, aircraft just have to reach the target area and then attack, not reach the target area and then spend another move point to engage, remember in this game your not attacking ‘units’, technically you attack a territory or sea zone and the hostile units defend the territory/sea zone
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Germany into 113, 112, 110, 109, 110, Holland, or alternatively: Germany into West Germany, Holland, 110, 109, 110, Holland
Bomber lands in Holland and can reach 6 spaces total.
I have a new concept for Russia and will post.
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Ok new concept for Soviet Union:
Stalin Line:
Builds
R1= 8 Infantry, 1 Artillery…. place Art and 2 Inf in Leningrad, rest Moscow
R2= 3 Tanks, 4 Inf, 1 Artillery ( save one)… place 3 Inf in Leningrad, rest Moscow
R3= 3 tanks, 2 tactical bombers… place 3 tanks in Leningrad, Tactical bombers in Moscow
R4= 10 InfantryNCM for turns 1-3:
Stalin Line setup: ( this is what will be in position by turn G4 German attack)
Karelia 1 infantry
Vyborg 1 infantry
Novgorod 4 infantry, 3 tanks, 2 fighters, 1 tactical bomber
Baltic 1 infantry
Belarus 15 Infantry, 3 artillery
Western Ukraine 12 Infantry, 2 artillery
Bryansk 5 tanks, 2 mechanized
Russia 2 tactical bombers
Caucasus 3 infantry ( on R1 Soviets sent one infantry to get the 2 Persia infantry)
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@Imperious:
Ok new concept for Soviet Union:
Stalin Line:
Builds
R1= 8 Infantry, 1 Artillery…. place Art and 2 Inf in Leningrad, rest Moscow
R2= 3 Tanks, 4 Inf, 1 Artillery ( save one)… place 3 Inf in Leningrad, rest Moscow
R3= 3 tanks, 2 tactical bombers… place 3 tanks in Leningrad, Tactical bombers in Moscow
R4= 10 InfantryNCM for turns 1-3:
Stalin Line setup: ( this is what will be in position by turn G4 German attack)
Karelia 1 infantry
Vyborg 1 infantry
Novgorod 4 infantry, 3 tanks, 2 fighters, 1 tactical bomber
Baltic 1 infantry
Belarus 15 Infantry, 3 artillery
Western Ukraine 12 Infantry, 2 artillery
Bryansk 5 tanks, 2 mechanized
Russia 2 tactical bombers
Caucasus 3 infantry ( on R1 Soviets sent one infantry to get the 2 Persia infantry)
Navy stays, except Soviet sub may move forwardShould BB go to Z114 to block amphibs and to also make Germany attack 2 sea zones instead of 1 to kill the ships?
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What about Germany Capturing Southern France on turn 1? It has a Naval Base and with a Minor factory it could influence the med quite a bit.
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What about Germany Capturing Southern France on turn 1? It has a Naval Base and with a Minor factory it could influence the med quite a bit.
The Minor factory is in Normandy, not Vichy
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Should BB go to Z114 to block amphibs and to also make Germany attack 2 sea zones instead of 1 to kill the ships?
No because Leningrad is weak, as the infantry stacks move south and place in Leningrad. Russia cant let it fall and her NO requires her to hold 115, which also defends Leningrad. Leningrad is only made ‘whole’ on R3 placements of 3 tanks.
What about Germany Capturing Southern France on turn 1?
Germany cant reach it because it has to take paris to reach it
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@Imperious:
Should BB go to Z114 to block amphibs and to also make Germany attack 2 sea zones instead of 1 to kill the ships?
No because Leningrad is weak, as the infantry stacks move south and place in Leningrad. Russia cant let it fall and her NO requires her to hold 115, which also defends Leningrad. Leningrad is only made ‘whole’ on R3 placements of 3 tanks.
What about Germany Capturing Southern France on turn 1?
Germany cant reach it because it has to take paris to reach it
No, the NO is tied to Z125, off Norway.
It cann reach souther France via northern Italy. Attack with tanks from Austria
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What about Germany Capturing Southern France on turn 1? It has a Naval Base and with a Minor factory it could influence the med quite a bit.
The Minor factory is in Normandy, not Vichy
I realize ther factory is in Normandy but I was thinking of buying a minor factory for southern France. I’m playing my first game on Sunday and I am preparing what I will do if I draw Germany or Japan.
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It cann reach souther France via northern Italy. Attack with tanks from Austria
And lose tanks at 6 IPC to infantry for a couple of IPC? Never should you do that.
I left alone Normandy because the infantry need to be soakers, never will i trade a tank for 2 IPC.
France is finished after paris falls. That lone frenchy wont hurt anybody and will die next turn.
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You could bring a couple of mech infantry along with the tanks from west germany. These could act as soakers for the tanks.