What Fires First?

got the rulebook, just realized, that I didn’t read it exactly enough, because I thought then I’d know the rules more or less.
It was exactly enough to play and to have most of the rules right, but I missed two or three things :roll:, well, now it should be better

Yes, the AA50 sub rules are a bit muddled, but the FAQ helps immensely.

There are no official rules on undoing a mistake, so you’ll have to work that out with your opponent.  However, many on-line clubs have procedures for such situations.  Maybe one of their members will suggest something here.

By the way, this is the AA42 forum, so questions about AA50 are off-topic here.  Please post further AA50 questions in the appropriate forum.  Thanks.

ok but with the UK battleship left unharmed I would definately not go KJF. Then it is all about getting some boots towards Russia ASAP.

Building AC + 2 destroyers in SZ8 landing 2 US fighters and adding the US cruiser is usually a nice option if Germany attacked SZ2 and killed the battleship (if not, just building what you would need to survive an air+sub attack and build transports if you have money left. Depending on the German odds of attack on SZ8 you bring or not the US transports, and you may sent the UK transports on Washington’s coast not to lose extra units without reason against likely German attack.  Even if Germany as better odds to win on SZ8 (depending on how many planes survived/were built), this strat is nice to lure Germany forces away from Russia and you should always be willing early to trade more UK IPC for a bit less Germany IPC (their “real” value is not the same since Russia/Germany front is ALWAYS the most important front). Also, if Germany had a very good turn 1 and kept all planes, you should be willing to take some risks to try to take the advantage out of axis’ hands.

Also it depends on how Germany places is units, if all planes are in Paris, you can build in SZ2 for exemple.

I’d say other things on your list should be:

3 transports 1 destroyer
4 transports
2 transports 1 industrial complex
2 industrial complexes

(The thought behind 1 industrial complex or 2 is very different; 1 IC mixes early pressure with infantry backup; 2 ICs just goes “hell for leather” as you may say.)

That pretty much covers it.

Let me know how it turns out.  I’m interested to see how the strategy played out, unfortunately, I haven’t been able to use it like I wanted to.  I have played one game for the last three days and boy was it horrible luck.  Not only was I doing that one little mistake that you don’t notice until its the end of your turn and its too late, but I was rolling 5’s, 6’s, and other numbers that you didn’t want (like rolling 4’s when using tanks) all day long.  Seriously, I lost a defensive battle as the Russians when my little bro attacked from Manchuria with an infantry a tank and a fighter.  I lost all 6 of my Infantry for only his fighter and Infantry after he attacked three times.  Later on in the same game I sent 3 bombers and 2 fighters from Britain to attack his 8 tanks he had in Eastern Europe.  I know it was probably going to be a suicide move, but I was trying to relieve Russia.  Before anyone asks, my 2 fighters were going to land in Byelorussia.  End result after attacking 3 times, I lost all of my fighters for only 2 of his tanks.  Worst three days of my A&A 42 experience.

I say the Sz2 attack is completely necessary, it is a little risky but look at it this way the Russian sub is hits on a 1 so it killing your sub is unlikely, that leaves your sub which will probably miss but with a hit that means the allies lose the only Russian sub they have or absorb the hit and drown by a bomber, if the sub misses You can count on the bomber/fighter to score one hit witch can’t be assigned to the sub, the allies will most likely hit with the BB you lose the sub and then the Bomber/fighter combo will finsh the fleet and if the BB hits again what’s another fighter you can buy one turn 1 and still have 30 IPC witch should be infantry anyways. and if your concern is money if you win you can definantly kill 27 IPCs (BB, Trans) and lose only 16max(fighter and sub if you win) if you lose than its 28 IPCs witch is only 1 more IPC than the U.K could have lost, and with the taking of Egypt the u.ks money is toast. even with a counter on Egypt Germany can take it again turn 2, a parked air force in westE allows the air force to kill any U.S/U.K navy attempt to deadzone Algeria Rd,1.

If you don’t do the battle your looking at a u.k BB,2destroyers and a Aircraft carrier with possible two fighters on it, and at that point losing your fighters in an attempt to kill their Navy will have to happen since a U.K invasion is a guaranteed to happen sooner or later. 
@Paulzy:

I would only consider attacking SZ2 if Russia did not non combat its sub there.  1 Sub, 1 BB is too risky to me.  I wana keep my Bomber and Fighters as long as possible with Germany.  Just my opinion.

I think by Killing the BB first turn it is actually saving the air force since the U.K now needs to build a fleet instead of just invade with the already existing one.

@Paulzy:

I know its risky but, the Ger sub in SZ8 is in range of US SZ10.  Since the sub gets the sneak attack, if it hits on the first roll, it will wipe out all 3 boats!  (unless im missing something)  Of course UK has a transport that cant defend at all sitting there, attacking it is what I have been doing.  Hopefully I will get some feed back on this and thanks :)

I saw that too and I think that even if you kill the cruiser and transports, the U.S is still only 1 turn from rebuilding its Navy and can still be in Algeria turn 2 or 3, your going to lose the sub to the destroyer in sz20 and the bomber and fighter in EastU.S, and leaving the U.K fleet alive hurts germany more in the long run than a U.S Fleet thats sole purpose is africa which is only 2 starting IPCs witch 38IPCs is ok to me but the U.S will spend so much time chasing you in africa and failing in france that taking caucasus by an Infantry push in turn 3/4 is all but inevitable.

nice game.

had my first game of 42, was the axis.  Did the Bomber buy 1st round, scared the UK with the new sub rules as the baltic fleet moved into the Atlantic.  Scared the US away till turn 3 from landing in Africa and was able to combine on turn 2.  Pulled back Japan’s navy, killed the Indian fleet, then turned back on the US Fleet.  On turn 4 I was able to destroy both US fleets in the Pacific and Atlantic and took Australia.  A few Allied troops in Africa and had left India’s IC alone except for buffering around it.  Turned on Russia through China and after suckering the allies into throwing everything at Caucaus after i left most of the German army out to dry there, 2 Jap tanks were able to blitz from Sinkiang to take Moscow.  Allies gave up as the Axis ruled all but the North Sea.  Not too wacky of dice, save the loss of my German SBR bombers over Moscow.  
 I haven’t played AA50 much, but I am lovin’ the naval rules applied here!

gotta admit too that those new Russian ship sculpts are absolutely beautiful…sitting in the box never being used.