@Danger:
“Rommel” will probably never make it to Africa without a very determined German player.
Think about it
You’ll probably take a Mediteranean coastal territory on Turn 2 so…
Turn 3 place new Industrial complex on said territory
Turn 4 produce 3 transports, less if you have to also produce escorts becuase of Allied air
Turn 5 move units you’ve had waiting at port to AfricaDoes this even sound like a workable plan to anyone? I don’t think so! Perhaps there will be a Complex in Marsielle that will allow you to produce your transports on Turn 3 instead? Either way your getting a few German units to Africa by turn 4-5 but not enough to make an Assualt on Egypt. Don’t forget that while all this is going on your preparing to attack Russia and holding off various U.K mischief.
I think Larry said no Germans in Africa or the Med to start. Maybe he meant war units and there will be a couple of German transports protected by Italy (I will post this question on Larry’s site). That way Germany could get some ground units into Africa early on (w/air), and keep a continuous flow going (makes sense). As SgtBlitz pointed out, the opening of AA50 has the Germans ready to pounce on Egypt, so you have to be able to set some kind of attack up by G3. If you want to increase the flow of units then you build an IC if/when Germany gets to the Med coast for more transports. The creators and testers would never allow the US (rd #4) to be in Africa before Germany.
i think if italy buys the navy, germany can supply the land forces
would be my guess.
@Imperious:
As for Egypt… guess what. There are NO Germans (at all) in North Africa at the beginning of the game. They don’t even have a ship in the Mediterranean. The Italians well be well represented however. If you’re playing the Axis you better hope they do better than they did historically. One more bit of information. between Libya and Egypt lays two new territories… Tobruk and Alexandria. There should be some additional back and forths going on down there.
This is IL’s quote from Larry in the first post of the Facts thread. That seems to indicate quite definitively that Germany will not have any transports for moving stuff to Africa. :| Guess they won’t be able to do much more than provide air support until they can build/capture an IC on the coast. Anyway, I think that even if Germany can’t start putting land units in Africa until turn 4 that they should be able to at least form the rear guard for the Italians in holding off the Americans so the Italians can keep pushing into Africa.
Well, that sux. :cry:
@SAS:
Guess they won’t be able to do much more than provide air support until they can build/capture an IC on the coast. Anyway, I think that even if Germany can’t start putting land units in Africa until turn 4 that they should be able to at least form the rear guard for the Italians in holding off the Americans so the Italians can keep pushing into Africa.
Yeah, it’s important to remember that the US will, in most cases, be doing nothing in Africa until turn 4 (with a competent Japanese player resisting attack).
It’s doubtful the UK will have much in the way of starting attack forces in Egypt, either, which means it’ll probably be a stalemate between the Brits and the Italians until the Germans and/or Americans arrive to tip the balance one way or the other.
@Brain:
Well now we definitely need and Axis and Allies North Africa game.
YES
I guess Graziani will have to take Rommel’s place.
i really think that’ll be the way
italy buys the transports and protecting navy, germany shuffles troosp from germany to italy to be loaded in those italian transports
@Frontovik:
i really think that’ll be the way
italy buys the transports and protecting navy, germany shuffles troosp from germany to italy to be loaded in those italian transports
G1-move German ground units to coast
G2-load Germans on to Italian transport
I2-move Italian transport to Africa
G3-unload German units in Africa
Italy will need to buy more transports beginning rd #1, so it can still maneuver its own units, as well as the German ground forces. This could require Italy to split its navy, which could be risky. In the mean time Germany should look for a place to build a minor IC on the Med that will produce units by rd #4 or #5, so it doesn’t have to rely on Italy. It would be good if that IC could also aid in invasion of Russia. Turkey is looking very tempting. Germany should be able to invade by land from Bulgaria via Istanbul across the straight. It would also unlock the Black sea for amphib. The Med will have a whole new level of strats, it going to be really cool working those out.
@Brain:
I guess Graziano will have to take Rommel’s place.
NEVER
@Brain:
I guess Graziano will have to take Rommel’s place.
NEVER
The new desert fox:
Graziani, Rodolfo Marquis, Marshal of Italy
@WILD:
@Frontovik:
i really think that’ll be the way
italy buys the transports and protecting navy, germany shuffles troosp from germany to italy to be loaded in those italian transportsG1-move German ground units to coast
G2-load Germans on to Italian transport
I2-move Italian transport to Africa
G3-unload German units in AfricaItaly will need to buy more transports beginning rd #1, so it can still maneuver its own units, as well as the German ground forces. This could require Italy to split its navy, which could be risky. In the mean time Germany should look for a place to build a minor IC on the Med that will produce units by rd #4 or #5, so it doesn’t have to rely on Italy. It would be good if that IC could also aid in invasion of Russia. Turkey is looking very tempting. Germany should be able to invade by land from Bulgaria via Istanbul across the straight. It would also unlock the Black sea for amphib. The Med will have a whole new level of strats, it going to be really cool working those out.
Turkey will be a great spot for an IC. It could send units to the eastern front or invade the middle east. It could also build a mediterain fleet. PLus it will be worth a nice pile of resources.
Possibly so, but think about how long it will take to get troops to Turkey, and then build an I.C. there. Russia is probably going to be a tough customer so I’m not sure if Germany is going to have time to invade. Think about how much Germany is going to have to prepare for its war with Russia in terms of units considering the size Russia will probably be in this game. If Pacific 40’ is any indicator on the size of Russia then Germany is in for at least a four turn march to Moscow which means they are going to have to hold off America and the U.K. in the west until turn 8 at least! I think extra IPC’s for invading Turkey and building a complex there are a luxury, and if Turkey ends up like Mongolia there won’t be any territorys worth 2 IPC’s making it impossible to build one.
Who can say really what will happen, and after the J1 DOW debacle for Pacific 40’ perhaps the Germans will be able to invade Brtiain on G1 and ruin that game.
I can actually see that happening…
The only way you would send Germans to Africa is if Italy can not send enough troops on their own.
What happened was I believe they came through Greece, using Italy’s navy.
@Brain:
@Brain:
I guess Graziano will have to take Rommel’s place.
NEVER
The new desert fox:
Graziani, Rodolfo Marquis, Marshal of Italy
I may never play Axis&Allies again.
@Brain:
I may never play Axis&Allies again.
Don’t kid yourself. You know you will.
Your right Brain, I just had a fit of deep depression. I will probably play AA50 tomorrow. I have been playing a series of practice games of scenario #1 to see if I can find a way to fix the China problem.
The way to solve the problem would be to have Italy and Germany move together and have the ability to use each others transports.
