AA Gun Question

@Du-Bist-Toten said in General Questions:

FURTHERMORE, the rules introduce another VERY interesting concept. They actually say that a sub can be held hostage in a zone, unable to go anywhere unless 1) the enemy destroyer above it leaves or 2) the sub fights its way out. In other words, a sub, when under an enemy destroyer, must either fight or “be frozen”. So it’s kinda trapped! Just move your destroyer to the same zone as a sub and then choose not to fight it; then the sub will be frozen until you move! The sub won’t attack you on the sub’s “turn” (even though the option is there) if the firepower of your fleet above it is too powerful! This “freezing of the sub” occurs because the rules say “If a submarine enters a sea zone containing an enemy destroyer, it MUST end its movement there.”

I’m afraid you’ve got this wrong. The rule you quoted means that a sub must stop if it encounters an enemy destroyer after it starts moving. If it begins its movement in such a zone, it may leave, as it did not enter the zone during its movement. Moving into a zone with an enemy destroyer merely stops a sub’s current movement - it does not pin the sub indefinitely.

So my question here is as follows: If a sub decides to fight it’s way out, and after one round of combat an enemy destroyer is still above it, can the sub just “chill out” and “just be frozen under the water” again AFTER the enemy retaliates for that round? OR does the sub have to fight to the death?

In this situation, if a sub were to attack rather than move away, it would have to fight to the death, as it could not submerge and would have no legal way to retreat. However, as I mentioned above, it may leave the zone, so it could move to an adjacent friendly zone and come back in combat movement before attacking, thus establishing a retreat route.

BUT, if NO DESTROYER is present, can the sub attack the fleet above for just one round, and then move two spaces away during non-combat movement IF the counter fire didn’t kill the sub? If a destroyer IS present above and the sub DOES kill it, can the sub move two spaces away during non-combat movement?

Neither of these is legal. Any land or sea unit that either made a combat movement or participated in combat may not move in noncombat movement.

I hope this helps.

@Hobbes:

@xedasmaster:

Thanks for the help m8. So AA50 just basically means the 50th aniversary edition correct? Is it much mroe comple then the 1942 one? Cause I am all for more options.

Yes.

AA50 - Anniversary Edition
AAE40 and AAP40 - Europe 1940 and Pacific 1940 editions (if you have both you can combine them into Global 1940 - that’s the most complex version that you can get).

Ok then I definitly gotta have those 2. I think I’ll try and get em used or sumethin. I just bought 1942 still wanna try it out gona make my first game today weeeeeeee  :mrgreen:

Thanks guys, its a lot clearer now.

:-D

Ah yes, that was exactly the conversation I was thinking of.  You are quite right, I was thinking of a defending air unit.  In combat the air units would retreat during the non-combat movement phase and of course not have movements allowed and would crash.

Thx very much for your quick answer.

The off/unloading in one movement gibts especially japan and britain more possibilities then in the games we did so far.

The game is so great !!! Can’t believe it took me so long to find it ;)

Just in case : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=16051.msg536874#msg536874

:-)  Thanks, thats how i’ve been playing

Sorry for the newb questions!  This board is great!

Therefore Saltz, keep that in mind in your strategies.  Always, I MEAN ALWAYS, have enough infantry fodder to bring to battle.  This is an economic war as much as anything.  If you keep losing tanks and planes on hits because you don’t have enough ‘fodder infantry’ to throw to the wolves you will surely lose your battles.  Unless of course your opponent’s buys are the same as yours.

Hey, there’s an idea.  Have a war with no infantry or artillery.  See how that works out.  Might be fun, never know.