Prostitution

Sure. I’ll give ya that. I’m sure there are many prostitutes who feel they had no-where else to turn except to the streets. Whether they think they have no-where else to go is irrelevent. They still made the choice to sell themselves. You can’t argue this. There’s simply no arguement, because you always have a choice.

The majority of prostitues are, in my opinion, taking the easy way out of a hard situation. Go work at your local McDonald’s if you have to (or whatever other easy jobs there are), but don’t sit here and try to make me sympathize with them. Everybody has problems in life.

Sure. I’ll give ya that. I’m sure there are many prostitutes who feel they had no-where else to turn except to the streets. Whether they think they have no-where else to go is irrelevent. They still made the choice to sell themselves. You can’t argue this. There’s simply no arguement, because you always have a choice.

You are making big and dangerous generalization/simplification. Am i sure this is not always that simple !

How so? By saying that prostitutes made a choice? Why are you so afraid of making people responsible for their actions?

@FinsterniS:

Sure. I’ll give ya that. I’m sure there are many prostitutes who feel they had no-where else to turn except to the streets. Whether they think they have no-where else to go is irrelevent. They still made the choice to sell themselves. You can’t argue this. There’s simply no arguement, because you always have a choice.

You are making big and dangerous generalization/simplification. Am i sure this is not always that simple !

in the words of “The family guy” - Un-freaken’-believable. FinsterniS and i in agreement. I need to reveiw your comments on the “War on drugs” post.

izcoder quoted: How so? By saying that prostitutes made a choice? Why are you so afraid of making people responsible for their actions?

not at all. This, in fact, is a pet peeve of mine - people not taking responsibility for their actions. At the same time, to blame prostitutes for the situation that they are in is more than a little simplistic, and not helpful at all. To arrest them and throw them in jail because of their “choices” is not a useful way of dealing with the problem.

@cystic:

To arrest them and throw them in jail because of their “choices” is not a useful way of dealing with the problem.

Welcome to the justice system in America. We arrest people and throw them in jail every day. Why should prostitutes be any different?

@izcoder:

@cystic:

To arrest them and throw them in jail because of their “choices” is not a useful way of dealing with the problem.

Welcome to the justice system in America. We arrest people and throw them in jail every day. Why should prostitutes be any different?

Well, keep in mind that i am against prostitution.
At the same time doesn’t the bill of rights or some such memo-type deally deal with something like this? I mean, they are “just having sex”, and so they ask for a little bit of money to offset their expenses - clothes, keeping-them-alive materials.
The thing is, many of these other people arrested and thrown into jail need not be either. Jails are full of people who need not/should not be there. They should be used for the violent criminals - keep them off the streets, as well as demonstrate societies repudiation for their crimes, etc. With regards to prostitutes (and marijuana users) there are far more effective (and cost effective) ways of dealing with these people other than keeping them in the system (which is all you’re doing by tossing them in jail). A prostitute (many times) is not like a car jacker, murderer, armed robber, etc. It is usually a person trapped in a cycle (possibly of their own, largely inadvertent) design who can be helped to become a more responsible/productive citizen, rather than a sponge off of the correctionals department budget (i.e. the taxpayers).
Justice is not just punishment, but it is also compassion, mercy, and “doing what’s right” for the people involved.

I’ll agree with you there, our justice system does have way too many people in jail that would be better suited to other types of punishment (or rehabilitation, if you prefer :wink:) What I’m against however, is the legalization of prostitution, and the reprocussions that would come with that.

@izcoder:

I’ll agree with you there, our justice system does have way too many people in jail that would be better suited to other types of punishment (or rehabilitation, if you prefer :wink:) What I’m against however, is the legalization of prostitution, and the reprocussions that would come with that.

me too.

Hmmmm….

so … selling your body is wrong.

But:
selling the power of your muscles is not?
selling the view of your body is not?
selling your mind / ideas is not ?
Is it prostitution to become a movie star ( you effectively sell your private life) … or to become a politician (where you sell your ideals to the industry) ?

Why do you oppose selling sex?

(And for yb and deviant scripter: this is not an attack on america, this is not a justification for underage prostitution)

@F_alk:

Hmmmm….

so … selling your body is wrong.

But:
selling the power of your muscles is not?
selling the view of your body is not?
selling your mind / ideas is not ?
Is it prostitution to become a movie star ( you effectively sell your private life) … or to become a politician (where you sell your ideals to the industry) ?

Why do you oppose selling sex?

It’s not the body part that’s bad. If that was the case, then nobody would be allowed to have sex. The part that affects us is what it leads to: degredation of self, STD’s, emotional and physical damage. Prostitution is associated with numerous other things that are also bad, such as drug usage, and child prostitution rings. If prostitution was legalized, it’s not likely that these problems would just magically “disappear.” Moreover, I don’t think that two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want, there needs to be limits to everything. There are immoral actions that affect us everyday, and the epidemic is only getting worse with time. Look at pre-marital sex and the effect it has had on this country. Children are more likely to enter a life of crime if they’re raised in a single parent family (I’m referring to divorce in addition to pre-marital sex.) Now, unless you can convince me that all these problems would cure themselves if prostitution was legalized, I don’t see how legalizing prostitution can benefit society in general.

@F_alk:

(And for yb and deviant scripter: this is not an attack on america, this is not a justification for underage prostitution)

Hehe F_alk, I guess I’m too predictable. :D
YB, we’ll have to change our strategy now… :wink:

@Deviant:Scripter:

It’s not the body part that’s bad. If that was the case, then nobody would be allowed to have sex. The part that affects us is what it leads to: degredation of self,

Well, the degradation works for everything you sell of yourself. Ever been a private teacher/ tutor? Trying to keep some rich but stupid kids in their classes, as their parents don’t want them to repeat a class?
That is prostitution of mind and self degradation.

Moreover, I don’t think that two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want, there needs to be limits to everything. There are immoral actions that affect us everyday, and the epidemic is only getting worse with time.

Well, i’d rather allow two censenting adults to do what they want, than allow anyone and everyone to own a gun. The later one can do a lot more damage than the first two.
Why cut down personal freedom when it does not affect public safety?
IMHO there are a lot more immoral things that happen….

btw, did i mention that i think the US are really bad hypocrits when it comes to sexual matters? Where is the freedom here?

@F_alk:

btw, did i mention that i think the US are really bad hypocrits when it comes to sexual matters? Where is the freedom here?

I kinda picked up on that… :wink:

@F_alk:

Well, i’d rather allow two censenting adults to do what they want, than allow anyone and everyone to own a gun. The later one can do a lot more damage than the first two.
Why cut down personal freedom when it does not affect public safety?

Of course gun’s can do a lot more damage, nobody is arguing that. If I stole millions of dollars from a corporation, that doesn’t affect public safety either…should I be allowed to do that?

@Deviant:Scripter:

@F_alk:

Well, i’d rather allow two censenting adults to do what they want, than allow anyone and everyone to own a gun. The later one can do a lot more damage than the first two.
Why cut down personal freedom when it does not affect public safety?

Of course gun’s can do a lot more damage, nobody is arguing that. If I stole millions of dollars from a corporation, that doesn’t affect public safety either…should I be allowed to do that?

So, you are against the right to own a gun then? …. would only be logical :)

hehe :)

@yourbuttocks:

Say it sister!

LOL :D

@F_alk:

So, you are against the right to own a gun then? …. would only be logical

No, actually I’m FOR owning guns. With the proper training and education, owning a gun can be a completely safe situation. However, you didn’t answer my question…“If I stole millions of dollars from a corporation, that doesn’t affect public safety either…should I be allowed to do that?” Whether the crime affects public safety is certainly a consideration into the legality of the offense, but not neccessarily the only deciding factor.

@Deviant:Scripter:

@F_alk:

So, you are against the right to own a gun then? …. would only be logical

No, actually I’m FOR owning guns. With the proper training and education, owning a gun can be a completely safe situation. However, you didn’t answer my question…“If I stole millions of dollars from a corporation, that doesn’t affect public safety either…should I be allowed to do that?” Whether the crime affects public safety is certainly a consideration into the legality of the offense, but not neccessarily the only deciding factor.

Well, stealing money can (hypothetically) affect teh public safety. The money you steal can’t be spend/ has to be re-earned through whatever means. That means, if this money is not “spare” money, then it will affect the safety in the sense that it will negatively affect some employees of the company (who get fired, have to work extra hours which frustrates them etc). Or the money will be cut from fire prevention etc etc.
There are more indirect ways of affecting the public safety….
if it was absolutely spare money, then: yes, it still is stealing, but the immorallity is dependant on what you (as the thief) do with the money. Having a million sitting around for interest and interest on interest is “immoral” as well (as it is not invested, and see above “spare money” without any direct need in the company): If you use this money to help ppl in need (like Robin Hood), it is a different thing from you using that money to do a nice around-the-world-trip.

I still don’t understand how the “immorality” of two consenting adults “affect me everyday”.
Can you explain that claim of yours?

Plus: even proper education and training for the owner of the gun doesn’t mean that the gun is safe. There still is his (untrained) son, the burglar who grabs it, whoever can reach it. That makes gun a danger to public safety. Just have a look how many ppl get killed by guns in the US compared to other countries (normalized to the population, of course).
( I know that Austria had 34 cases of murders and attempted murders with guns in 1997, with 8 millions austrians … im Germany there were 300 cases of murder, manslaughter etc. in 2001 with a population of 80 million … how does the US look like for that ? )

Gun are completly useless…

Why gun should be legal ? Because you need protection… Because some people feel powerfull with an handgun in their hand ? Tssss

Well if nobody had guns it would be more safe it is not a question of individual right but of collectivity, i would’nt want to live in a society with lots of handgun.

Also most of the time gun are NOT use for protection but for suiside, crime… and there is a lots of accident.