Iraq, again

here’s an example of 'news" from the washington post : all conservatives are racist (see more on pg 12) liberals are so awesome, you want to vote for them in the next election (more on pg7) conservatives are really stupid (see more on pg3)

:lol:
this kids great!

@StrongBad1988:

here’s an example of 'news" from the washington post : all conservatives are racist (see more on pg 12) liberals are so awesome, you want to vote for them in the next election (more on pg7) conservatives are really stupid (see more on pg3)

ahhh . . . the whining hyperbole of an ultra-conservative whiner.
Although not thoroughly versed in American newspapers, the Washington Post appeared fairly middleground to conservative, particular in its support of Bush and his little Iraq ideas . . . .

@cystic:

Although not thoroughly versed in American newspapers, the Washington Post appeared fairly middleground to conservative, particular in its support of Bush and his little Iraq ideas . . . .

you want a middleground paper? read the LA times, or the Washington times. the post is so liberal it isn’t funny. where exactly did you get the idea that they support the war in Iraq? i’m just curious… maybe you got confused with the washington TIMES, beacuse that supports the war in Iraq and its middleground, but the post is totally a bucket of crap.

sure, they have several conservative editorial columnists, but this comes NOWHERE close to matching up to all the liberal crap they have in the pages preceeding the editorial sections.

400 posts! here i come TG Moses! :P

CC edit - Strongbad, you know these are inappropriate.

Yanny Edit - What he said. Don’t do it again.

Leftish slants can be explained easily; silly idealists want to become journalists.

@alamein:

F_ALK- I’m starting to like arguing with you. not even yanni disagrees with me as much as you do. Buddy I’m not a racist. that card gets thrown around whenever someone says anything remotly conservative around here.

Well, maybe it was just a reply to your commie accusations. As well, i can’t recall that i really called you a racist, i merely pointed out that noone is as perfect as he thinks to be: a lot of prejudices can be interpreted as hidden racism.

but to be racist I’d have to have it out for another group of people based on an attribute that I can easily Identify (race color whatever) and I don’t.

The point is: you don’t need something that makes them easily identifable.
The german jews in the 1920’s and 30’s were not different from the german non-jews. You couldn’t identify them unless you waited in front of their temple to see who is going in. The very very very vast majority was secular, maybe the only only way to identify some was the butchers, but not more. Still, they were targeted by the worst “racism” the world has ever seen.

notice you say the “never proven Iraq Al Quaeda” collaberation theory-
the president has said he has info linking saddam to al quaeda, and he plans to release more intell. on this through powell on feb 5th. does he have to compromise his sources and get people killed to show you personally proof? I personally feel that once we go in, we’ll find the weapons we want and the proof you need.

US intelligence agencies have failed often enough not to risk a war. Especially, when it has to appear that the often mentioned proof is not existing.

I think the whole debate that the country’s going thru over Iraq is a result of how stupid we really are. for example- had bush not procrastinated and just started bombing Iraq- or even invaded, people may have grumbled but accepted it.

I can’t speak for the US people, but i am pretty sure that the world would not have accepted that.

@alamein:

F_alk- what kind of taxes do you pay there now? I pay somewhere between 36-45% of my income in taxes. it’s hard to say because it is hidden taxes here.
…Oh if that "can’t work Shouldn’t survive thing made you mad - try this:
-If you Don’t Pay Taxes - you shouldn’t have a right to vote - especially on tax increases.
…
I wasn’t born a right wing devil- the world and all it’s scum made me this way.

The income tax rates here, with social and health insurances, are higher:
Icome tax can be up to 47%; health insurance is about 15%, social security are about 25%, the later have an upper limit, anything above that is not taxed.
Of course: the richer you are, the better your accountants to find loopholes and avoid these rates.

Some interesting points in germany:
In the 70’s the governments tax income was 30% of workers and employees income-tax, and 30% of taxing wealth and cooperations.
Today, it’s 35% by workers and employees, and 15% by wealth and cooperations.
From that i deduct that you would strongly favor the german rich not to vote :)……

I belive you were not born right wing… but you fell for the right wing propaganda of “whose fault” it is.
If you have a look here, you can see that in the 90’s the social support for the “lowest third of incomes” decreased, while it was increased for the highest third (now proportionally being higher than in the UK, France or Denmark).
Some time ago, a CEO had 20 times the income of a qualified worker, today it is a factor of 300!!! Between 1995 and 2000, the CEOs had an average raise in their income of 300%, compared to 10% for their workers. And the ones that are classified “poor” are usually long-time jobless (not saying anything about whose fault it is that they are),
single working mothers and families with more than 2 kids !!

Whoever says that the economy is suffering… should first have a look where the money went in the times when it did not suffer !!

@alamein:

oh and F_alk- how could you use gen paulus as an example. he was a trophy.

Any general was a trophy…. and generals treated each other well, because they knew that they could lose the next battle and go into captivity… then it’s better when you have a “gentlemans agreement”.

@StrongBad1988:

gassing the kurds was just his way of expressing his feelings.

The US didn’t say anything the time it happened. Saddam was a too important ally at that time.

@EmuGod:

It is cold blooded murder to fire a missle into a residential area, killing 1 terrorist and 26 innocents. It is cold blooded murder to fire a bomb at a car in the street, killing 1 terrorist and almost a dozen people just driving by. In the US, had a commander ordered those attacks, he/she’d be put in jail, possible given the death penalty.

Unless it was a retaliation action by the army…… which have about the same results…

@Anonymous:

When the Iron curtain came down, the countries behind it were no farther ahead than when it went up. They were pretty much in the same economic state as they post WW2. Than does not sound like mankind moving forward to me.
Communism breeds one to a total lack of motavation and innovation, with out which, evolution suffers.

In a perfect world, which its never going to be, Communism would be fine.
However, humans, by nature, are selfish.
Nearly everything you do is, in a sense, selfish.
Even when you do things for other people, giving present, time, money whatever is done because it makes you feel good. Which is, again, selfish.

In honor of TG Moses VI…

Do not equate Russia with communism. The dream was there, but the results were warped by bad leaders.

Bad people do bad things because it makes them feel good, too. How selfish! I’ll settle for good selfish over bad selfish all the time. More often than not… ‘good selfish benefits the majority, whereas, bad selfish benefits the minority.’

Hahaha, but you have to comprehend how lucky the original 13 States were to be blessed with such enlightened thinkers as Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. George Washington could’ve easily become “King Washington” and our founding fathers could’ve been much more centered toward their own political and economic gain. :) Perhaps if Russia had had such a fine set of rulers instead of Stalin?

@Yanny:

Falk, watch the replies

Ohm…. will you install a multi-reply button for me then, so that i don’t have to copy and paste everything into one :)… or could you get the others to post in my time zone, so that the appearance of me bunch-replying is washed out by others posting in between ;)…

Or did i break any other of the rules (and i must say, some of them are pretty harsh… two consenting adults should be allowed to have a flame-war ;) ) ?

I"ll have a flame-war with ya’ F_alk. After all, i can smell you from here. You need a bath.

F_ALK, we have just the opposite proplem her, the lower 50% of the people pay no tax (and many still get “refunds” from our government). yet still get to vote. while the upper 10% pay most of the taxes- slanting downward amoungt the other 40%. so in your case I can see your point. “yes”- no vote for rich germans. I think everyone should be responsible for taxes, it makes the government more accountable. but by breaking up taxes the way they do here, they create a strong liberal (communist) voting base. more later lunch is over.