Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

COOL!!  USA SCULPTS!!  YAY!!
I especially LOVE the US Cruiser piece.  The Wichita class!  That’s MY town!  Now I really feel like a part of this project.

FMG

I have been very pleased with the quality and details that you have put into each unit.  However, I feel that the Enterprise is not up to these standards.  Are you still able to make modification at this point or is it cost prohibitive?  If you can, here are some suggestions I would like to offer.

1.  The 4 square thingies (2 in front and aft of the island) should be round to represent gun emplacements.  If possible add 2 line in each circle to represent guns.

2.  The bow should protrude in front of the flight deck.

3.  Add 3 small circles or bumps on top of the island to represent the exhaust ports.

4.  Make the line in the rectangle go straight out to the side instead of for and aft.  They don’t look like guns in these positions.

I believe all the modifications I suggested can be done within the limitation of this scale.  By no means am I expecting all of these changes but it doesn’t hurt to try.  If I had to choose just one out of the 4, it would be modification #1.

Here is a link that has a nice drawing of the Enterprise if you wish to view it.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XIUsZVIRkss/SnfakHOnLUI/AAAAAAAABQk/mXJAqE5OljA/s1600-h/cv-6-line.gif

After 1943 refit.  http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/ships/carriers-us/4171/view/uss_cv-6_enterprise/

I hope you will view this as constructive feedback and nothing more.  I sincerely appreciate the effort you have put forth in bringing us these great units.

I love the US sculpts so far, FMG. Great work!

These are first revisions.  I have already sent them back for more detail in many cases.  Thanks for the input.

Not sure if this is part of your revision but, it would look really cool to have some of the carrier deck details etched in - like the stripes and elevators.

if that was on Italy and Germany then yes…however if you do that and Italy and Germany dont have them it will make it(them) look out of place

@FieldMarshalGames:

These are first revisions.  I have already sent them back for more detail in many cases.  Thanks for the input.

I’m glad to hear that you can still tweak things a bit and that you will take my suggestions into consideration.  Much appreciated.

Wow! Look at those trucks! They even have wrinkles in the canvas!  My paint brushes are rattling in their drawers! Awesome.  :-D

@Variable:

Not sure if this is part of your revision but, it would look really cool to have some of the carrier deck details etched in - like the stripes and elevators.

I thought about this too but didn’t want to push my luck.  Also, extra catwalks (walking areas on the edge of the flight deck) along the side of the deck with a bunch of small lines or dots to represent the small AA guns would be icing on the cake.

However, I know redoing molds can become very expensive.  So I will be happy with any additional modifications that FMG can do.

but keep in mind if you add more detail then you did on the italins and germans, it will make the seem “lesser” and out of place.

@cminke:

but keep in mind if you add more detail then you did on the italins and germans, it will make the seem “lesser” and out of place.

I can potentially see that with adding the flight deck line.  With the other modification they are more subtle and I don’t think that will be the case.  As the current sample of the Enterprise stands, I feel that it is barely on par with currents A&A pieces.  A few well done minor modifications I think will put it above above that.

This whole thing started because we all wanted pieces that were unique to each country and with better detail and quality than the current  A&A game pieces.  For the most part I think FMG has done very well to meet our expectations.  There of course has been a few exception but I feel FMG has made an honest effort to fix thing when it is possible and that’s good enough with me.

I’m having trouble finding good pictures or blue prints of the Carrier.  Please post here what you have or find so I can forward to the Sculptor.

Thanks for your help and your feed back!

Looking good as always I’m in. Cant’ wait to see the infantry pieces and tanks.

@FieldMarshalGames:

I’m having trouble finding good pictures or blue prints of the Carrier.  Please post here what you have or find so I can forward to the Sculptor.

Thanks for your help and your feed back!

FMG, I posted these links above, were these not good enough for your needs?
Here is a link that has a nice drawing of the Enterprise if you wish to view it.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XIUsZVIRkss/SnfakHOnLUI/AAAAAAAABQk/mXJAqE5OljA/s1600-h/cv-6-line.gif

After 1943 refit.  http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/ships/carriers-us/4171/view/uss_cv-6_enterprise/

If you need better quality than this, let me know and I’ll see what else I can dig up for you.  I have to leave town for a couple of days in a few hours so it might take me some time.

I did find this by the way, let me know if it works for you.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XIUsZVIRkss/SnfakHOnLUI/AAAAAAAABQk/mXJAqE5OljA/s1600-h/cv-6-line.gif

Thanks

Best I can find …

Pictures :

http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/103414.html

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lonesentry.com/panzer/may/pics/cv-6-enterprise.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lonesentry.com/panzer/may/indexlist.html&usg=__Ggm3nSlQixTTpu-K_E-I-0z41nc=&h=355&w=600&sz=40&hl=en&start=116&zoom=1&tbnid=iG20XBt7OtMcmM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=199&ei=Zd_vTcjfHoeugQfAgcmUDw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dww2%2Benterprise%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D861%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=364&page=4&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:26,s:116&tx=52&ty=43&biw=1920&bih=861

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lonesentry.com/panzer/may/pics/carrier-cv-6-enterprise.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lonesentry.com/panzer/may/indexlist.html&usg=___FSiA7nRyA7J0IS6IRwhrg7L12Q=&h=355&w=600&sz=51&hl=en&start=116&zoom=1&tbnid=9vsRKDNNH07K0M:&tbnh=126&tbnw=213&ei=Zd_vTcjfHoeugQfAgcmUDw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dww2%2Benterprise%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D861%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=465&vpy=373&dur=947&hovh=173&hovw=292&tx=192&ty=120&page=4&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:27,s:116&biw=1920&bih=861

Plan and Side view drawings (Yorktown Class CV-6 Enterprise):

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=248593

WW2 US Navy Ship Silhouettes (size comparisons - just for interest):

http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/u-s-navy-ship-silhouettes.html

@Black:

@FieldMarshalGames:

I’m having trouble finding good pictures or blue prints of the Carrier.  Please post here what you have or find so I can forward to the Sculptor.

Thanks for your help and your feed back!

FMG, I posted these links above, were these not good enough for your needs?
Here is a link that has a nice drawing of the Enterprise if you wish to view it.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XIUsZVIRkss/SnfakHOnLUI/AAAAAAAABQk/mXJAqE5OljA/s1600-h/cv-6-line.gif

After 1943 refit.  http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/ships/carriers-us/4171/view/uss_cv-6_enterprise/

If you need better quality than this, let me know and I’ll see what else I can dig up for you.  I have to leave town for a couple of days in a few hours so it might take me some time.

I did find this by the way, let me know if it works for you.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XIUsZVIRkss/SnfakHOnLUI/AAAAAAAABQk/mXJAqE5OljA/s1600-h/cv-6-line.gif

Thanks

Great work! Thank you very much.

Now I need some detailed images of the NARWHAL class Submarine.

@Black:

@Variable:

Not sure if this is part of your revision but, it would look really cool to have some of the carrier deck details etched in - like the stripes and elevators.

I thought about this too but didn’t want to push my luck.  Also, extra catwalks (walking areas on the edge of the flight deck) along the side of the deck with a bunch of small lines or dots to represent the small AA guns would be icing on the cake.

However, I know redoing molds can become very expensive.  So I will be happy with any additional modifications that FMG can do.

Let’s not forget just how small these pieces are, especially the ships.  I know one big reason we are into these pieces is because of such great detail, but past a certain point would be near impossible, especially in the case of the naval vessels due to the small scale.  “Catwalks”?  I think you are asking a bit much.

@FieldMarshalGames:

Now I need some detailed images of the NARWHAL class Submarine.

http://midway1942.org/ships/usn_ss_narwhal.shtml

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot/ships/submarines-us/uss-ss-167-narwahl-1939.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php%3Ft%3D151524%26page%3D6&usg=__WOL6CiMOTW-PZM6uypxXSoIFTqQ=&h=614&w=1409&sz=70&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=XGrE_tgNDT9MpM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=253&ei=chTwTeLuAcfUgQf8m_yUDw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNARWHAL%2Bsubmarine%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Ds%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D861%26tbs%3Disz:l%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=467&page=1&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:24,s:0&tx=160&ty=59&biw=1920&bih=861

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/N/a/Narwhal_class.htm

@knp7765:

@Black:

@Variable:

Not sure if this is part of your revision but, it would look really cool to have some of the carrier deck details etched in - like the stripes and elevators.

I thought about this too but didn’t want to push my luck.  Also, extra catwalks (walking areas on the edge of the flight deck) along the side of the deck with a bunch of small lines or dots to represent the small AA guns would be icing on the cake.

However, I know redoing molds can become very expensive.  So I will be happy with any additional modifications that FMG can do.

Let’s not forget just how small these pieces are, especially the ships.  I know one big reason we are into these pieces is because of such great detail, but past a certain point would be near impossible, especially in the case of the naval vessels due to the small scale.  “Catwalks”?  I think you are asking a bit much.

Having catwalks and sponsons  (These are the mini decks that stick out on the side of the ships.  Usually they support larger guns) are not unreasonable at all.  If you look at the FMG sample piece of the Enterprise, is has both sponsons & catwalks.  It has 4 sponsons that support 2 guns each.  The catwalk is represented by the thin lower lip that goes around the flight deck.  If FMG wants to add detail for small AA guns, all they would have to do is make a bunch of half circles as part of the catwalk with a little bump or line in it, very similar to the original A&A carrier.  Usually, manufactures will allow you one or two revisions free of charge as part of the process.  After that is starts to cost you. At least I hope that is the case with FMG.  There are always exceptions.  Anyway, my ideas are only suggestions.  If FMG cam make the changes at little or no cost, great.  If it’s going to be too expensive, then it won’t happen and I’m okay with that.