Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

coach is doing the F4 Corsair. but i would like to second the p51 mustang if it isnt to late

Let’s get a Euro centric fighter - another vote for the P-51

If FMG doesn’t make the P51D then let’s lobby Coach to make a supplement set fir US and make sure it has the Mustang!

@Bob_A_Mickelson:

Sounds like a great list, but if its not too late I’d like to once again lobby for the P-51 D mustang; (and contrary to popular belief mustangs were assigned in both european and pacific theaters.)  In any case, thanks for the update. Keep up the excellent work FMG.

Are you sure the P-51 was assigned to the Pacific?  I know the P-40 (flying tigers) was but I thought the P-51 was used exclusively in Europe.

@dadler12:

@Bob_A_Mickelson:

Sounds like a great list, but if its not too late I’d like to once again lobby for the P-51 D mustang; (and contrary to popular belief mustangs were assigned in both european and pacific theaters.)  In any case, thanks for the update. Keep up the excellent work FMG.

Are you sure the P-51 was assigned to the Pacific?  I know the P-40 (flying tigers) was but I thought the P-51 was used exclusively in Europe.

P51s were the only ones with the range to escort B-29s raids from Tinian to Japan. That is one of the reasons we took Iwo Jima, to have a Mustang base.

@Fishmoto37:

@dadler12:

@Bob_A_Mickelson:

Sounds like a great list, but if its not too late I’d like to once again lobby for the P-51 D mustang; (and contrary to popular belief mustangs were assigned in both european and pacific theaters.)  In any case, thanks for the update. Keep up the excellent work FMG.

Are you sure the P-51 was assigned to the Pacific?  I know the P-40 (flying tigers) was but I thought the P-51 was used exclusively in Europe.

P51s were the only ones with the range to escort B-29s raids from Tinian to Japan. That is one of the reasons we took Iwo Jima, to have a Mustang base.

Mustangs also fought for the US in combat over Burma and the Philippines. The Australian, New Zealand, and Chinese Air forces also used the P51 in the Pacific theater during the later stages of the war.

Contemporary plans had assigned the P-51 as well as the P-47 as the primary fighters to be used the invasion of Japan, should the bombings prove to be unsuccessful in forcing a Japanese surrender.

On a side note: The P-51 was the second most produced US fighter during WWII; lagging behind the P-47 by a mer 89 units.

Thanks for the update FMG. Totally pyched about these pieces. Can’t wait to replace the ones I got with yours.

Razor and Bob thanks for the compliment by the way. If any country needs the 2 infantry it is Britain for the reason I suggested. Cheers

Hi

What will be used for US. MECH INF UNIT? Maybe a standard army jeep? A Ford GP or Willy MA / MB?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_MB

Mech Infantry should be the M3A1 halftrack

i like IL’s ideas for this one, the different battle would make people who are trying to add this to OOB pieces happy also

@reloader-1:

Let’s get a Euro centric fighter - another vote for the P-51

Agreed!

I’m a little surprised by the Hellcat, too!  I mean, it was a great fighter and all, but it IS what we have oob and wasn’t made in nearly the numbers of the P-47 or P-51… From a utility angle, though, I suppose it’s all good, since we could use the oob P-38’s as long-range fighters.

I’m OK with FMG doing the Iowa class, as long as it’s slightly bigger than oob; we could then use the oob ones as “North Carolina” or “South Dakota” class which were fairly similar but smaller.

I find it a little odd that FMG is referring to the “Enterprise class” and that IL counters with a preference for the “Hornet class,” as both carriers were from the same class and that it was called the “Yorktown class”!  I would go for the Essex class if you really want something to distinguish it from oob: the oob “Wasp class” was really just a slightly smaller one-off revision of the Yorktown class that looks identical except for being slightly shorter to get the tonnage limits under treaty restrictions.

@DrLarsen:

I’m a little surprised by the Hellcat, too!  I mean, it was a great fighter and all, but it IS what we have oob and wasn’t made in nearly the numbers of the P-47 or P-51… From a utility angle, though, I suppose it’s all good, since we could use the oob P-38’s as long-range fighters.

Wasn’t the Hellcat only available in the Anniversary Edition OOB?  I’m not positive but my copy of 1942 and my older copy of revised came with the P38 lightning, and I swear the copy of 1940 I saw was also the P38.

The Hellcat came in Guadalcanal and Anniversary.  1940 games come with the P38 and the Dauntless SBD.  I agree 100% on the carriers Dr. Larsen.

@dadler12:

The Hellcat came in Guadalcanal and Anniversary.

AAP came with P-38 and Hellcats also.

@Bob_A_Mickelson:

@dadler12:

The Hellcat came in Guadalcanal and Anniversary.

AAP came with P-38 and Hellcats also.

Admittedly, they were rarer than P-38’s, but yes, they came in several editions.  I’ve seen plenty on ebay over the years, if you want to pick some up to diversify your US fighter fleet.  Also, Coach sells them by the piece on his site, so that’s pretty much a guaranteed source if the ebay pickings are slim or if prices have gone up too much there.

@dadler12:

The Hellcat came in Guadalcanal and Anniversary.  1940 games come with the P38 and the Dauntless SBD.  I agree 100% on the carriers Dr. Larsen.

Just to be fair to IL, he does mention the Lexington class also, which was an excellent carrier… and a good-looking ship, too.  I still think the Essex is a better choice, though.  The 2 Lexingtons were converted battlecruisers, so they were really sort of “one-offs” (or I guess technically, more of a 2-off) that were never going to be repreated.  The Essexes were what the US built when they were finally freed from treaty limitations as the new “standard” full-function fleet carriers, and it was, indeed, they more than any other single class of ship that won the war.  Sure, the US made a great series of excellent ships in unprecedented numbers in nearly every category: BB’s (Iowa’s), CA’s (Baltimores), CL’s (Clevelands), DD’s (Fletchers), along with an even larger number of lesser-known ships in categories that get less attention (CVE’s, DE’s, subs, transports, oilers, etc.)  The whole functioned together symbiotically… but the tip of the spear was the air power provided by those Essex-class carriers and that’s what made the US drive through the Central Pacific in 1944 unstoppable.  Yep, if there’s one ship type that could be said to have won the Pacific War it was the 24 (yes, 24!!!) Essex-class carriers that the US built, an ever-growing armada that, from 1943 on, turned the tide and took the Pacific Ocean back.