Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

Panzer II is a must, in my opinion

@ Lozmoid - Although I see the logic in what you are suggesting, I don’t think that FMG would be willing to replace one of its tank sculpts at this late stage, due to cost and delay issues. I would personally be satisfied with the existing choices in light of those issues.

@ knp7765 - Here’s a picture of the Carro Armato P40 for you:

Here’s a blog with a bit more info for those not familiar with the tank:

http://anonymous-generaltopics.blogspot.com/2008/05/carro-armato-p-40.html

New Sculpt complete!  ITALIAN TRUCK

Looks nice…seems like the Fiat 626 truck…

LOVE the truck!

@Dagon81:

Looks nice…seems like the Fiat 626 truck…

That is correct!  This is the actual truck used by Italian Logistics during the war.

@Imperious:

This looks a bit too commercial… like a modern mail truck?

So what happened to a half track? Or an Opel ( which is German but has a more classic 1940’s look)

Isn’t FMG making a truck and a half track piece?

@FieldMarshalGames:

New Sculpt complete!  ITALIAN TRUCK

Oh yeah, truck is awesome.

awesome

Hey AG124,
Thanks for the pic and link to that article on the P40.  It was really interesting.  I didn’t know the Italians built such a tank.  It’s really amazing how many weapons were designed and built during the war that most people just don’t know about.  I have a book “Encyclopedia of German Tanks during WWII” and I was astounded at the number of variants that came out of each basic tank design.

Also, I agree that we shouldn’t replace the current tank sculpts.  We’ve already taken a step backwards with the bomber to get the SM 79 (which was a necessary thing) but we don’t want to delay these pieces anymore.  Here is an idea.  Assuming this project goes well, perhaps one day in the future FMG could make new tanks, planes, etc. to add to our existing sets.  You know, maybe later on we could see little P40s, King Tigers, etc. that weren’t covered in the basic sets as nice add-ons.  Like maybe they could come up with a Heavy Tank set for each nation.

That’s fair enough and no, I don’t want to delay Italy either. I would like to keep the sets uniform though. So, in my opinion - if the Italians get a Tank (Carro Armato M13/40) and a Self Propelled Gun (Semovente), then the Germans should get the same. And I reckon that should be the Panzer IV Tank and the Hummel SPG.

We have the Panther as our “late war” Tank (oob)

I second the Panzer IV as the logical choice.

I have to disagree with you on the Panzer IV.  That was actually a pretty sturdy tank and I think comparable to the Panther (Panzer V).  They both had 75mm main guns, although I think the Panther’s had a longer barrel.
The Panzer III on the other hand was closer in comparison to the Carro Armato M13/40.  The Panzer III had a 50mm gun while the Carro Armato had a 47mm gun.  Armor was roughly equivalent although I think the Panzer III had better performance.
Also, the WOTC OOB tanks are some of the best medium to heavy tanks from WW2 – T-34, Panther, Sherman, Matilda.  The exception being Japan as they went with the Type 95 which is a light tank.
Therefore, for uniformity sake, I think FMG should make the Armor #1 (tank) one of the light to medium versions for each country and maybe save the heavy tanks for a later set.

Russia = T-26
Germany = Panzer III
Britain = Crusader
Japan = Type 97 Chi-Ha medium tank(since they already have the light tank)
USA = M-3 Stuart (nicknamed “Honeys” by the Brits)
Italy = ALREADY DONE

As for SPGs, I’m not as knowledgable about them.  I know a few of the German pieces – Hummel, Elephant, StuG III.  I’m also familiar with the American M-7 Priest and the Japanese had one called a Type 1 Ho-Ni.  I don’t know about British or Russian SPGs.

@FieldMarshalGames:

New Sculpt complete!  ITALIAN TRUCK

I like him!  Most certainly Italian  (strangely, one of the old WWII movies I watched recently had one of those…)

As for German SPGs, I think either the Hummel or the Wespe. I believe the Stug III was an Assault Gun, and the Elephant (or Ferdinand) was a Tank Destroyer.

I’ll definitely go with a Panzer III - knp made a very thoughtfull post.

EDIT: and I agree 1000000% with his tank list - I love the T-26 idea.

OK so from what I recall FMG was producing 12 tanks per nation set.
Is that 6 of each sculpt?

And I don’t recall any mention of the inclusion of SPGs by FMG.
Where are we getting that from?

As for terminology, there’s little distinction in the various types of SPG, they’re essenitially all variants on turret-less design and the nomenclature implies their envisioned tactical employment, direct firesupport in general v. specializing in anti-tank, which is splitting hairs on a level a little too tactical for this scale of game, IMTO.

Furthermore, I don’t think you’d never find a concentration of SPGs sufficiently high that it’d warrant a piece / formation token… like a SPG Division.

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@allboxcars:

OK so from what I recall FMG was producing 12 tanks per nation set.
Is that 6 of each sculpt?

And I don’t recall any mention of the inclusion of SPGs by FMG.
Where are we getting that from?

As for terminology, there’s little distinction in the various types of SPG, they’re essenitially all variants on turret-less design and the nomenclature implies their envisioned tactical employment, direct firesupport in general v. specializing in anti-tank, which is splitting hairs on a level a little too tactical for this scale of game, IMTO.

Furthermore, I don’t think you’d never find a concentration of SPGs sufficiently high that it’d warrant a piece / formation token… like a SPG Division.

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The only place I can see mention of SPG’s being included is in the “Poll : FMG US Aircraft” post where Jeremy says;

@FieldMarshalGames:

@Variable:

@FieldMarshalGames:

We will keep the two tanks for USA! (We already have the sculpts)  …just wanted to explore the issue.

Thinking of a Sherman redux and a Stuart? What’s on your mind FMG?

In most cases we would like to have the standard “ICONIC” tank for that nation and an alternative…  either a SPG / or Heavy Tank.  Like the Pershing tank? or M7 tank destroyer?

As you can see with ITALY we had a standard tank and a “Heavier” Armored piece SPG

If you ask me this implies that there will be 2 models of “armor” for each nation … wether it is a light/medium/heavy tank or SPG depends on the nation and what looks best/is most iconic, at least IMO.

And yes, having Tank and an SPG is pretty much splitting hairs at this level.  Go with what looks the best if you ask me, regardless of it’s classification.