Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

To redo any sculpt would be another $200 USD…  plus the time to wait for it.

I think the majority would agree that the plane looks great? (remember it is an awful picture)  and at least 1000% better than the Stock Italian fighter?

Hurry up so I can buy some!!

If it’s done - it looks amazing  :wink:

@reloader-1:

Neither was intended, Rorschach (and Viracocha, a thousand apologies if that was indeed my tone).

All I was asking if the sculptures were molded and “set in stone”, or if this is still very much in the planning stage.

As to the comment on my girlfriend, she is constantly reminding me that “words mean things” - hence my careful use of words so as to avoid improper interpretation.

Reloader-1,

Hiya, no worries sir - no offense taken, and if I had taken offense - I wouldn’t require a thousand apologies… just one.  eh eh eh

:-D

The new planes - gaaa! And and and - wow.  Such good stuff…  So start whipping the minions and put some hamsters in the assembly line engine! eh eh eh

Seriously, superb craftsmanship.

The fighter plane is fine the way it is.  It doesn’t need “fixing” or “changing”.  Like Jeremy said, that would be adding more to the cost.  More important, it would be going BACKWARDS in this project and I don’t think any of us that are anxiously awaiting these pieces want to do that.  We have to keep going forwards.  There is now just three pieces left:  truck, halftrack and submarine.  Once those are done, it’s production and order time.  YAY!!  We are almost there!

By the way, is that Italian Bomber the SM 79?

@knp7765:

The fighter plane is fine the way it is.  It doesn’t need “fixing” or “changing”.  Like Jeremy said, that would be adding more to the cost.  More important, it would be going BACKWARDS in this project and I don’t think any of us that are anxiously awaiting these pieces want to do that.  We have to keep going forwards.  There is now just three pieces left:  truck, halftrack and submarine.  Once those are done, it’s production and order time.  YAY!!  We are almost there!

By the way, is that Italian Bomber the SM 79?

If I remember correctly…it is.  it is the same Italian bomber than comes with AA50

Great job on the new sculpts. Looking forward to purchasing the real things.

Just Halftracks, Trucks,Submarines, and bunkers left!

Hmm…that italian heavy bomber doesnt seem like the SM 79… and the bomber that comes with AA50 is the same as the japanese bomber…  :?

Well, but that mold looks great but it’s the japanese betty bomber.

@Dagon81:

Hmm…that italian heavy bomber doesnt seem like the SM 79… and the bomber that comes with AA50 is the same as the japanese bomber…  :?

Well, but that mold looks great but it’s the japanese betty bomber.

It does appear VERY similar to the Japanese G4M.  We’ll have to wait for FMG to confirm which model this is.  Italy did have some lighter bombers with two engines that might be confused for a Betty if you didn’t know the scale (the italian planes that look similar were smaller).  It’s possibly a Fiat CR.25, I guess, but that’s hardly a heavy bomber?  We’ll just have to wait for FMG to confirm that he did his homework.

It’s also possible that the images are switched?  Their Transport/Med bomber is perhaps a Fiat BR.20 which was a widely used bomber while the Fiat CR.25 was a reconnaissance/bomber/officer transport but only 10 were ever made.  Gotta say I’m surprised it’s not one of the many 3 engine options as they were so very Italian.  I’m confused.

Lets get to the bottom of this before this goes into the mould!  Now we need the communities help!  I don’t think it is a betty bomber… look at the rear tail wings in comparison;

Also the shape of the wings is very different.  More rounded as with other Italian designs.

I think it is a 1940 variant of the BR.20.  If there are any experts out there please assist BR.20bis?

FMG,

That is definitely a Betty (see pic below). Notice the small gunner’s station behind the main cockpit.

Bright spot: Your Japanese Betty model is complete  :-)

Try molding the Piaggio P.108 Bombardiere as the heavy bomber. It is 4-engined and a good looking airplane as well:

@FieldMarshalGames:

Lets get to the bottom of this before this goes into the mould!  Now we need the communities help!  I don’t think it is a betty bomber… look at the rear tail wings in comparison;

The rear vertical fin is what makes the figure look most like a G4M Betty.  That and the gunner turret on top.  And the fact that it’s shaped like a cigar.  The Transport/Medium Bomber has the correct BR.20 rear wing configuration.  I can’t find any images of a BR.20 that didn’t have twin vertical fins in back.

http://comandosupremo.com/cantz1018.html

This is what this plane was supposed to be I think!?

It was a variation of the B.20 late war.

You may be correct here!  (At least we will have our bomber complete for Japan!)

@FieldMarshalGames:

http://comandosupremo.com/cantz1018.html

This is what this plane was supposed to be I think!?

It was a variation of the B.20 late war.

You may be correct here!  (At least we will have our bomber complete for Japan!)

That’s a CANT Z.1018.  Only 15 were built.  That’s definately not a variation of the B.20, and wasn’t particularly successful, even before the armistice.

Keep that one for the japanese bomber and use the Savoia Marchetti SM 79 sparviero for the italian bomber. It is easy to recognize and was an icon of the regia aeronautica as it was largely used.

If not, use as a model an italian heavy bomber with 4 engines.

Piaggio P.108 Bombardiere this one is nice, large and has 4 engines - heavy bomber.

What about a better Italian Transport?  We have a B.20 Bomber sculpt already.  I used it as the transport as my research showed that there was a troop transport /Air drop variation?

Any ideas about a better ITALIAN Transport?

If possible provide a technical image like that above (Good for sculptor)

FMG,

Read the Wikipedia article about the P.108 - it mentions that most were converted to use as air transports, and even the Luftwaffe used them as such.

@reloader-1:

FMG,

Read the Wikipedia article about the P.108 - it mentions that most were converted to use as air transports, and even the Luftwaffe used them as such.

Thank you for your help.  My concern is that the P.108 is for engine and bigger than the B.20.  We can’t have an air transport that is bigger than the bomber!

Maybe we can keep the B.20 as the Bomber/transport and build the P.180?  What do you think?

Can anyone find me a technical drawing of this aircraft?