Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

Hey “kcdzim”,
What game/set are these pieces from.  I haven’t seen them before.

@knp7765:

Hey “kcdzim”,
What game/set are these pieces from.  I haven’t seen them before.

http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=1900

@Yoper:

The air units only look a bit cartoonish because that is what they looked like in real life.  Many of the Italian designs had that distinctive engine cowling over their radial engines.

And the Macchi C.202 Folgore does indeed look very much like the picture that FMG provided.

No, I understand that the Italian planes will look different.  I think the Tac looks great, and the plane choices are what I expected and I think fairly well executed.  My only beef is that by adding lines, the wings become thicker than scale, and at that point it’s not because it’s Italian design that they begin to appear cartoonish.

All that said, I agree.  We’ll take what we can get, and once molded in the semigloss national color the lines may be less obtrusive.  They just don’t strike me as particularly necessary from a design standpoint.  Just something I would have edited.  again, that’s just me.  They are at least MUCH MUCH better than the Singapore 1942 planes, and that gives me hope my favs: the Hawker Hurricane (or Typhoon), N1K George, P-51, FW-190, and ummm…  shucks… whatever Russian fighter is chosen.

How about the MiG-1?

If the final cost is still the original $60, it will be a miracle of capitalism.  $50?  No way.  More like $80 for all eight nations.  You’ll be paying less than a penny for each sculpt.  When you factor in cost of the actual plastic, labor, electricity, blah, blah, blah, the profit margin per plastic piece could easily be less than a mil ($0.001).  That makes less than $8 profit per set sold.

I haven’t seen FMG’s books, but at $80, FMG would probably need to sell thousands of these to “get their money back.”  This is a major long-term investment.

Inflation only makes the profit-loss calculation more of a headache.

I’d happily pay anywhere between $30 and $40 for each nation, and maybe a bit more for the “extras”. I could probably stretch it to $50 per nation.

Hey Brain, I can purchase four Spring 1942 games for $80.00. I have two of them just for pieces. The FMG Italian pieces look great. But $10.00 per nation seems reasonable to me. I might go $20.00 to get a particular set but we must keep this within reason.

Hey Fishmoto37,
I tend to agree with you some on the price issue.  I did the same thing and got several copies of A&A 1942 just to add extra pieces to my collections.  However, one big attraction of the FMG pieces is they are much more detailed than the original A&A pieces.  For example, check out the battleships.  On the A&A pieces, the main guns look like one block but on the FMG Littorio class battleship, you can actually see all three gun barrels.  So it’s basically a quality issue, the FMG pieces are of higher quality so they will cost a bit more.

Also, with the FMG sets, you will be getting more pieces than you did in the 1942 games.  Not only will you get more of the pieces that you get in the games, but you will also be getting pieces that aren’t in the 1942 games (trucks, tac bombers, half tracks, transport planes, commanders, etc).  We must remember that these pieces are being created for all different WW2 games, not just Axis & Allies so some of the pieces you won’t find in any A&A games, at least at the current time.

With the higher quality and more pieces and a greater variety of pieces, FMG is really not asking too much.  They are really not making a lot of profit on these either.  The cost of creating the new molds and getting a factory to work with them is enormous.

Hey cminke,
I was just on the FMG site and they still have the FMG Ammo Box for $249.99.  It comes with 8 nation trays and 3 other two-compartment storage trays for China, neutrals and other game parts.  The national trays have three large compartments for the pieces (land, air, sea) plus a slot on one side for combat dice.  It looks really cool but I don’t like having just three compartments.  I like to separate all the different units.

What really drives me nuts are the games like Guadalcanal, Battle of the Bulge, D-Day, Pacific and Europe because they just have one large compartment for each nation.  It can be a real pain trying to search through all those pieces to find one fighter unit.

From the FMG Games AMMO BOX thread (relating only to the ammo box of course!) … probably missed by most people …

@FieldMarshalGames:

This is now truly a LIMITED EDITION product.

The shop that is making this for us says cost is TO HIGH to produce, and Margin to small.

I only have a commitment from them to make 10 more units and then this will become an FMG relic / Collectors Item.

Thank you to all members who supported this product on its short run.

@knp7765:

Hey Fishmoto37,
I tend to agree with you some on the price issue.  I did the same thing and got several copies of A&A 1942 just to add extra pieces to my collections.  However, one big attraction of the FMG pieces is they are much more detailed than the original A&A pieces.  For example, check out the battleships.  On the A&A pieces, the main guns look like one block but on the FMG Littorio class battleship, you can actually see all three gun barrels.  So it’s basically a quality issue, the FMG pieces are of higher quality so they will cost a bit more.

Also, with the FMG sets, you will be getting more pieces than you did in the 1942 games.  Not only will you get more of the pieces that you get in the games, but you will also be getting pieces that aren’t in the 1942 games (trucks, tac bombers, half tracks, transport planes, commanders, etc).  We must remember that these pieces are being created for all different WW2 games, not just Axis & Allies so some of the pieces you won’t find in any A&A games, at least at the current time.

With the higher quality and more pieces and a greater variety of pieces, FMG is really not asking too much.  They are really not making a lot of profit on these either.  The cost of creating the new molds and getting a factory to work with them is enormous.

This is the exact same line of thinking I’m on.  Higher quality, more variety, greater quantity.  Absolutely it is going to cost more than just going out and buying another 1942.

Those who are looking to buy these pieces don’t just want more pieces they want a greater variety of sculpts as well.

Considering the costs given earlier in this thread at approximately $8000+ per nation, there’s no way I can personally see us getting them at $10 each nation (800 sets of each nation would need to be sold just to break even … yikes?).  $20 per set I could see as a reasonable price point, especially considering the factors above.

We will make it as affordable as we can afford to!  The basic costs have to be covered AND it has to fund the next nation.

You can’t be a business & yet, take donations. What you do is support that business by buying their products/services. This then gives them capital to expand their product line or offer more services.  FMG is not doing this as charity work for the A&A fan. They believe that there is a developing market for their products & that is why they are investing in it.

@cminke:

i ment after i buy every thing they have related to AAA, and say i wanted to invest some money to the fmg pieces? how woul i

Our friend is correct.  We do not accept donations.  You can support us by buying the products as they become available and spreading the good word to friends and other boards.

We thank you all again for your show of support.

Jeremy

GO FMG!!!
love the new pieces project. will be intrested in getting acouple of sets.
keep us  posted, by the way, i assume that these pieces are the same
scale as our existing game pieces

@gnasape:

@Brain:

When can we expect that to take place?

Welcome to the AA forum Brain Damaged,

This thread was started back in 03/18/09 so if there’s any news from FMG, they would have posted it here or the FMG dice thread.  Just be patient and check back for news.

I have 2 things

first: is that he grew up so quickly

second: when is the exact date of release of these things?

@lnmajor:

i assume that these pieces are the same
scale as our existing game pieces

Yes, they will be (i know it’s a long thread to read through but it is in there somewhere)

@Dylan:

second: when is the exact date of release of these things?

To be announced still

@lnmajor:

GO FMG!!!
love the new pieces project. will be intrested in getting acouple of sets.
keep us  posted, by the way, i assume that these pieces are the same
scale as our existing game pieces

Yes, they most definitely will be. Sample pic:

man, this stuff is like porn for hardcore A+A players.LOL
playmate of the month, Italian transports!!

@lnmajor:

man, this stuff is like porn for hardcore A+A players.LOL
playmate of the month, Italian transports!!

LOL. :-D Definitely Italian transports are Ms. June.