Let me make this real simple from a financial standpoint: the costs of units comes primarily from molds, not the actual making of the pieces. Hence, it is relatively easy to change colors when necessary.
That being said, every Axis & Allies game in print, or released in the last four years has been molded in the same colors. The most logical assumption would therefore be to mold FMG’s pieces in the same colors, and IF in a few years the colors change…. Mold a new batch of units in the new colors! Simple, really, when one thinks about it.
This seems to make sense to me as well. I have had to paint a few house rule pieces to match my WOTC pieces, but they never really match perfectly. I’d rather have the FMG pieces in the correct color to begin with. And if colors do change, it won’t be a big deal to change accordingly. Plenty house rule people would even buy the “old” colors I bet…
Maybe we could create a poll on it and leave it to the people??? Shall I start another “petition”???
I guess all in all its not a huge deal, however if the Germans are grey ( I love the black way better) than what will ANZAC be??? can’t be another brown (UK, Italy already), purple??? C’mon, really what are the choices.
I would really like to see some sample pics of a couple of the pieces in the different colors suggested here. That would really be nice. Then maybe I could lean towards a more solid decision.
Just took a look at the proto pieces again- WOW- man those pieces are detailed. With the QUALITY detail of these pieces, they may look great in hot pink, fucia, and lavender!!! Man we are in for a treat!!! I’m still blown away!!! :-) :-) :-)
FMG can make the German pieces in a medium gray color representing neutral pro axis armies.
It has the added utility of getting us a lighter German set and possibly giving us Waffen SS units as the black set.
Other than that i have no idea why Germany is always black because in most games they are represented as GREY. Black tends to show the detail of the model less than a lighter color.
The actual color that might work is: Feldgrau
Of course, Feldgrau that was my initial thought, I just didn’t think anyone would agree with me.
As long as FMG makes a set that matches OOB colors, they could make a Feldpink set for all I care 8-)
I hate painting pieces to match - I’d rather they just be molded in plastic the color they should be.
Yes, I have heard that Feldpink goes well with Feldgrau.
@Brain:
Yes, I have heard that Feldpink goes well with Feldgrau.
Feldpink + Feldgrau = Feld Elephant…
If you were hiding in a bell tower, and the Germany army was sweeping through the town below you… what color would it be?
Not Black
I like Panzer Gray or Grey to represent the German Army not Black.
FMG…
The French Army does not wear blue.
The USSR did no have red uniforms.
Name 1 Japanese that wore Orange kit.
See my point? Colors in this game are an abstraction - who would disagree with a blue French color? Yet, honestly, no one wore that in WWII.
If you really want to go down this path - the Germans did have black uniforms.
Just offering my suggestion and my fervent hope that you make at least a small batch of German units in black.
FMG…
The French Army does not wear blue.
The USSR did no have red uniforms.
Name 1 Japanese that wore Orange kit.
See my point? Colors in this game are an abstraction - who would disagree with a blue French color? Yet, honestly, no one wore that in WWII.
If you really want to go down this path - the Germans did have black uniforms.
Just offering my suggestion and my fervent hope that you make at least a small batch of German units in black.
It may be possible in the future, however this is already decided. (Special production run?)
We have to match the COMBAT DICE. We can not switch-up and abandon our many customers who have COMBAT DICE or AMMO BOXES. We decided to go GREY way before this project was even announced. GREY is the ICONIC colour of the German Army. At this point it is written in stone, like so many historical cases… our decisions today are limited by our decisions yesterday.
I strongly disagree that you are abandoning your customers if you mold the pieces in black. The Japanese roundel is red and white - yet I do not see you casting the pieces in red (or white).
Personally, I love the German Combat Dice as it is, but I do not see a need to slavishly adhere to the same color - the dice goes really well with black units, and a black dice would probably not look as impressive. That being said, I feel that you would be abandoning these selfsame customers by not allowing them to use the pieces they already have in addition to the ones you will make.
I have made a poll on this matter - I am being vehement on this issue because I strongly feel that it would be in your financial interest to make them black, as well as I believe Combat Unit sales will dwarf Combat Dice sales.
Let me put it another way - Avalon Hill would never have come out with nation specific pieces for Axis & Allies under your logic, as the “decisions today are limited by (…) decisions yesterday”, to quote a well-respected member of the community :-)
One last thing - stone can be recarved… and made into beautiful objects. (Statue of David by Michelangelo… etc.)(ok, I had to throw that in!)
FMG…
The French Army does not wear blue.
The USSR did no have red uniforms.
Name 1 Japanese that wore Orange kit.
See my point? Colors in this game are an abstraction - who would disagree with a blue French color? Yet, honestly, no one wore that in WWII.
If you really want to go down this path - the Germans did have black uniforms.
Just offering my suggestion and my fervent hope that you make at least a small batch of German units in black.
It may be possible in the future, however this is already decided. (Special production run?)
We have to match the COMBAT DICE. We can not switch-up and abandon our many customers who have COMBAT DICE or AMMO BOXES. We decided to go GREY way before this project was even announced. GREY is the ICONIC colour of the German Army. At this point it is written in stone, like so many historical cases… our decisions today are limited by our decisions yesterday.
Okay, so lets put the black vs. grey to bed.
Next question will be, what is the color of the ANZACs? We saw the pic of the mock up ANZAC die. Is that the color? It will be very close to OOB, but also close to Germany now.
I know most of us can tell the difference between British and German units, but close colors make it difficult to survey the board. Remember when the Italians were first released? There were a bunch of complaints that it was too close to the color of Russians. We all wanted Italy in Light grey.
Anyway, the darker the grey the better for me. Or will it be like the color of the test moulds?
Variable,
I’m sorry but I’m going to give this issue a little insomnia for a bit. Let the voice of the people decide - let’s see what the poll results are.
FMG is correct as usual the pieces have the match the OOB colors and the dice. This is very important.
Once it is feasible they can consider other colors.
The French Army does not wear blue.
The USSR did no have red uniforms.
The new AAE40 colors will have french as blue and FMG must match these. French are always colored as blue historically anyway.
USSR should be colored original milton bradley brown, which is what has been used in most wargames.
If you colored every army according to its uniform, then every color would be too similar as being practical.
Yo Imp… You’ve got it backwards! FMG wants to make the pieces to match dice colors. I am contending that they should make the pieces match OOB colors.
My post was merely to state the illogical fallacy of making a color match the historical uniform. Thank you for agreeing with me - now help me convince FMG!
@Imperious:
FMG is correct as usual the pieces have the match the OOB colors and the dice. This is very important.
Once it is feasible they can consider other colors.
The French Army does not wear blue.
The USSR did no have red uniforms.
The new AAE40 colors will have french as blue and FMG must match these. French are always colored as blue historically anyway.
USSR should be colored original milton bradley brown, which is what has been used in most wargames.
If you colored every army according to its uniform, then every color would be too similar as being practical.
It may be possible in the future, however this is already decided. (Special production run?)
We have to match the COMBAT DICE. We can not switch-up and abandon our many customers who have COMBAT DICE or AMMO BOXES. We decided to go GREY way before this project was even announced. GREY is the ICONIC colour of the German Army. At this point it is written in stone, like so many historical cases… our decisions today are limited by our decisions yesterday.
Very well then, not a big deal to me. I understand your concerns. With these pieces, they would look good in hot pink!!! :wink:
Yo Imp… You’ve got it backwards! FMG wants to make the pieces to match dice colors.
The dice colors match the OOB pieces, except for Germany. If the German color will come out as Grey i will be very happy. Grey is just fine with me. The other pieces are OOB and the dice match them too.
@ Imperious Leader - Well actually, the FMG USSR dice colour looks quite a bit more red than the WOTC USSR OOB game pieces (which appear brown-red to me). The others are largely consistent, with minor shade variations.
Well its pretty close. Nothing is exactly the same.
