Correction…I meant J1 factory in Shanghai, not Hongkong.
There are 2 main uses for the Tank in Japan
- To drop it on Soviet Far East, alone. It chews through Soviet Territory pretty quick.
Should Germany not buy anything but Land Units directed at Moscow on G1 and G2, the Soviets will have to pull everything back as quickly as possible.
The Japanese tank gets 1,3,5,7 IPC in first 4 rounds = 16 IPC, that USSR will not have R5-R
At the cost of triggering the Mongolian rule J3.
There are 2 main uses for the Tank in Japan
- To drop it on Soviet Far East, alone. It chews through Soviet Territory pretty quick.
Should Germany not buy anything but Land Units directed at Moscow on G1 and G2, the Soviets will have to pull everything back as quickly as possible.
The Japanese tank gets 1,3,5,7 IPC in first 4 rounds = 16 IPC, that USSR will not have R5-RAt the cost of triggering the Mongolian rule J3.
** True. The Mongolian rule will be triggered on J3. They start moving on R4. Earliest they get to Moscow will be R7 (2 Inf) R8 (1 inf)… The IPCs the Japanese gain each turn, is much more more significant than than the Mongolians impact on the game.**
If the Mongolians step out of Mongolia they get killed easy.
As far as gaining IPC… only the 1 Inf on UlanBataar gets 1 IPC for Soviets… everything else is Chinese or already Soviet.
By J3, China would have been pushed pretty far back.
The early IPCs help in Naval buy to swamp the Allied navy.
Unless Japan maintains its naval superiority over the combined Allied navy, it is done for. This is most important in the J4, J5 turn… as the US would have kicked into production on US3 only.
US4 moves US3 buy it to Hawaii… Japan can handle the initial US NAvy and US builds, as long as it is matching it CV for CV.
Now it has to choose where to focus… Atlantic or Pacific…
If Japan gets 64+ IPC for more than 2 turns in a row (J4,J5,J6) … usually Allies will lose either in Pac or Atlantic (barring unforseen dice rolls).
The 64+ IPC is significant, because it means, the Naval+Air builds are so massive, and bring into operation 2 CVs+ 2DDs+2 Subs in a row for 2 turns… , which means… with the starting 3 CVS, and build of 4 more CVs in rounds 2 and 3 => 3+2+2+2+2 (assume 1 CV is lost in operations) = 10 CVS…and with a single TB build… brings this massive force to bear on Allied Navy in Hawaii… or Queensland… on J7… ( India should have fall by J7… or will be on the brink of falling J8)…
Factory on mainland on J4 ( Indo-C and Malaya), producing Inf, Mechs and Tanks (J5,J6,J7)… should take care of business in India, freeing the bulk of the Airforce to fill the Carrier Decks by J6-J7.
But iam sure other players have their methods/styles. This might be new or hyper aggressive… will be different with a US - KJF approach.
But again with a KJF… putting a mIC on Shanghai on J1 is not a good idea. Once committed, its too late. 3 TRs give the flexibility…
MeinHerr
(Only time this is not true, is if it sells out to help Germany take Moscow… and get an Axis win in the Euro-side)
Don’t the Mongolians stop the tank and claim back some of the territory it conquered?
I’m of the mindset that Japan should buy MICs when they can afford to do so. 3 transports is the way to go early in the game, it’s cost effective and leaves all options open since your navy is dominant.
I’m of the mindset that Japan should buy MICs when they can afford to do so. 3 transports is the way to go early in the game, it’s cost effective and leaves all options open since your navy is dominant.
Can’t agree more. Doesn’t matter what DOW im doing either. It’s 3 Transports for me 1st turn. Only difference I ever have is if I buy an Art and save 1 or if I save 5.
I find that a MiC and 2 xports in J1 is my best strategy for my long term goals and plans. Then I purchase 3 tanks to place there on J2 & J3 to compliment the existing ground units in China. Usually, by start J3 I’ve pretty well cleaned China out and am ready to knock on India’s door, grab the DEI’ Phillipenes, Guam & Wake. J4 is kill India while setting up a J5 invasion of Australia. Of course this all depends on my opponents skill level and the dice gods being somewhat fair. That’s what makes this game so exciting in my book……the best laid plans…you all know the rest. Â :wink:
I’m wondering about a naval base on Hainan to increase the effectiveness of one’s TTs. Done it once or twice and maybe should have kept doing it.
I’m wondering about a naval base on Hainan to increase the effectiveness of one’s TTs. Done it once or twice and maybe should have kept doing it.
[/quoteIt is perfect for the J3 India Crush ( Assuming No Blocker) and 3 TT buy R1 with a air force landing in Kwangsi following a J1 DOW
I would argue strongly for a 3 TT buy Turn 1. This is informed by what I think Japan’s goals are:
Option 1: a Turn 1 MIC buy:
Turn 2 spend 12IPC on 3 Mecs.
Turn 3 result: You’re at war with the Allies. You’ve got 3 Mecs ready in Kiangsu. They’re unlikely to be in range to attack even single unit Chinese holdings. It’ll be at least Turn 4 before they become useful in accomplishing any of Japan’s goals. Probably it’ll be Turn 5 when they can, potentially, apply pressure to India.
Option 2: a Turn 1 TT buy:
Turn 2 Spend the 5 IPC you saved on T1 and the 12IPC you saved on Mecs on 2 more TTs. First TT drops 2 units in Kwangsi.
Turn 3 result: 2 extra units and an extra TT in Kwangsi, you can attack Yunnan/Burma/Malaysia/Dutch Islands as necessary. 2 extra TTs in Japan who can threaten Russia/Hawaii or take the Philippines. 3 Extra TTs who can threaten a drop in India Turn 4, forcing the British to deploy (and lose) irreplaceable blockers or pull it’s forces all the way back into India.
Certainly, it’s not entirely black and white. And I’m being specific about extra TTs or units. Option 1 could still afford TTs on Turn 2 - but not as many. Option 2 can still afford MIC on Turn 2 - at the cost of something else. Generally speaking though, I think A&A is won by ensuring all of your choices get you further to your goals or give you options in the future. In my opinion, Option 2 supports that best. I also think Turn 4 is far too long for buys on Turn 1 and 2 to be useful, and that if I’m going to built MIC I’d rather have them in Kwangtung, French Indochina or Malaysia.
I prefer to buy 3 transports on the first turn (gives me 6) if I attack J1, J2, or J3 (Japan needs lots of transports). If I make an early J1 or J2 attack then transports are gaining me income faster then units built in Asia.
If I’m waiting to attack on J3 I might use sz19 transport to grab units along the coast and invade Siberia or Sov Far East to start grabbing income from Russia (then re-position transport on J2 to be useful J3). The other 2 starting (loaded) tpts go to sz36 to bring units into Kwangsi as reinforcements/counter Yunnan. J2 fill up 3 transports purchased J1 and move south to invade money islands/Malaya next turn giving me 5 or 6 transports ready to go in sz36 depending on if I hit Russian coast. A J2 naval base is also an option to threaten India (if nothing else the allies might feed me a couple blockers to kill next turn). Will also buy 2-3 more tpts J2 to hit Phil and Kwangtung by sea from Japan to keep any units already in China moving inward.
In a J3 attack you need to take all the money islands, Phil, Kwangtung, Malaya, FIC and maybe even Dutch NG as fast as possible for your NO’s or to stop the Allies NO’s. Most of those targets require transports. If you are attacking on J3 then a couple of the islands may require more then 1-2 units because allies stacked up. Some of your transports will probably be exposed to allied attacks once you invade so having extra won’t hurt you.
Besides I would rather wait to build a mainland IC once I have FIC (or Malaya/Kwangtung) because mobile units built there are right in the action, and I will have more income to fill them after my attack. Plus sometimes you need to build naval units and those southern territories are much better launch points.
Just wondering if anyone that does a J3 attack forgoes the 10 IPC bonus and takes FIC on the first turn to drop an IC there J2?
And how that went?
I’m wondering about a naval base on Hainan to increase the effectiveness of one’s TTs. Done it once or twice and maybe should have kept doing it.
It is perfect for the J3 India Crush ( Assuming No Blocker) and 3 TT buy R1 with a air force landing in Kwangsi following a J1 DOW
I don’t think you can assume no blocker. However, it does force the allies to put down a blocker which you can kill J3. Another one J4 quite likely - or you can move some of the fleet to SZ37 to prevent them putting a blocker there requiring the allies to put down two blockers.
