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Taranto Fail… What next in the Med?

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That fighter on Gibraltar is best use to support the cruiser from SZ91 taking down SZ96. You can fly fighters from London or Scotland to support Taranto so long as they didn’t all die after being scrambled G1.
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simon33 '19 '17 '16
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That is why I just assumed that you didn’t do that.
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simon33 '19 '17 '16
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I actually find it more devastating when the SZ96 battle fails.
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@JDOW I knew what you meant. Going to try the GIBASTION next Global game.
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@ShadowHAwk:

Well since you have to take odds a 75% odds is pretty decent though.

The 25% when you lose is more devastating, cumulatively, than the 75% when you win. In the 75% when Allies win, Axis usually does well enough that Italy can easily mop up in 97 and avoid getting convoyed. The tuv loss to Axis can be small to none when we take the counter into account, although a successful 97 attack constrains Italy strategically. But in the 25% when Allies lose, that’s a devastating defeat for Allies and hard to recover from.

It’s hard for Allies to bring enough material that there isn’t a good argument for an Axis scramble. Still, if you bring 8-9 units (including the ac) then that might be scary enough that Axis won’t want to take the risk and prefer to wait till G2 for a (comparatively) low-risk counter.

If germany does 110 without the BB but with 1 sub 3 figs 3 tacticals 1 bomber they also got 80% of winning if the UK scrambles. Would you take the 20% odds as allies? Why would the axis take 20% odds and be considered smart.

Mostly yes, because the tuv exchange would be more favorable to Allies. But in some cases UK might need to hold back (especially if 111 is a better scramble option). There’s more upside to the 97 scramble with those odds because Axis wants to prevent the Allied convoy.
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The Allies certainly have the option for waiting until turn 2 before stacking Yunnan if Japan fails on J1. The Chinese will easily have enough units to retake the territory and likely will just use minimal forces if Japan did not issue a DOW on J2. at the end of their Chi2 turn, they easily could have 14 infantry + 6 art + 1 fighter stacked in Szechwan. That is an impressive army against the weak Axis forces in Asia.

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One thing worth mentioning here is that Africa is essentially a trap for the Axis. Â Whether the Italian fleet survives or not, it is very hard to make much of an income difference or gain any NOs before America enters the war and takes it back, or without compromising some other more critical front. Â

Italy only risks 2 IPCs by losing Africa. Â In our Game 92 on Saturday, I had the entire Italian navy survive because my opponent did exactly what you suggested, and attacked Tobruk rather than Taranto. Â The counter is quite favorable to the Italians, to send in their entire fleet on the attack and clear the med for your NO. Â Even with the gigantic navy, I was still boxed in as I couldn’t control either Gibraltar or Egypt in the long term though I took both of them once. Â Â

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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris the retreat is only for one turn. By stacking and blocking Alexandria you can comeback UK2 and even make an airbase there.
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Failed ambhib. assault what happens to the transports.

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@Eqqman:

@P@nther:

No, that is not correct:

@Europe:

Transports can move to friendly coastal territories
and load or offload cargo, unless they loaded, moved,
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Move or Conduct Combat phase.

Hmm, well, if that is the real intent of the rule, they should have said OR load/offload cargo, since by saying AND they are only prohibiting offloading when the ship tries to move and offload together.

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Whenever a transport offloads, it can’t move again that turn If a transport retreats, it cant offload that turn

does that help?
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transports do not count as warships
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@urmomsmom7:

I think they are trying to say that since England doesn’t get an NO for no German subs on the board it doesn’t give Germany the need to build subs and in general building units towards England

That makes partial sense. I still think you need submarines for Germany, but a lot less. Before you needed 4 in SZ 109, 2 in SZ 106, 2 in SZ 82. Now you need 2 in SZ 109, 1 in SZ 106 and 1 in SZ 82 to get almost the same results as before.

What the change does, however, is weaken England to the tune of 5 IPC a round. There’s not a bat’s chance in hades that England and America are putting units in Paris until the game is already over (but the axis won’t concede). Essentially, what Larry did, was to remove 10 IPC a round from the Allies give the Axis a significant boost in buying power in relation to the what the Allies used to get.

It also means that the Allies dont ahve to go beserk trying to kill every submarine on the board too.

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