UK strat

[Mork Far]

hmm… thats too bad that the IC’s can only put out as many units as the place is worth in IPC, and that only one AA is active at a time. Are you sure? because it is really nice to be able to roll 16 die against a Japan air strike. (4 die per plane). (can someone cite these rules from the book, not LHTR, we dont play LHTR)

also i think that russia shouldn’t really be worrying too much about supporting UK.  and worry more about the impending japan strike. move R1 move kazakh and copuntry above that into Siankang and move rest of infantry to the pacific border to with japan. moving forces into siankang is helpful to slow japans conquering of china.

and as for canada, i might prefer in western canada to help US hold out on japans blitz into west US J2

[jsp4563]

@Mork:

hmm… thats too bad that the IC’s can only put out as many units as the place is worth in IPC, and that only one AA is active at a time. Are you sure? because it is really nice to be able to roll 16 die against a Japan air strike. (4 die per plane). (can someone cite these rules from the book, not LHTR, we dont play LHTR)

Here are the relevant sections.

Page 22 of the OOB Manual
Phase 6: Mobilize New Units

Restrictions on Placement:
You can mobilize only a number of units up to the income value of the territory containing the industrial complex. You cannot place your new units at an industrial complex owned by a friendly power, unless its capital is in enemy hands (see Liberating a Territory on page 18).

Page 25 of the OOB Manual
AA Guns
Special Abilities

Shoot Down Air Units: Antiaircraft guns can shoot down attacking air units. Whenever an air unit enters a territory containing an enemy antiaircraft gun, the antiaircraft gun fires during the opening fire step of combat. Roll one die for each attacking air unit (but only one antiaircraft gun in a territory can fire, even if they are controlled by different powers). For every roll of 1, one attacking air unit is destroyed.

[newpaintbrush]

Man, you bet your ass that you’re limited to the territory value for unit count production.

Otherwise, German industrial complex in Ukraine would be standard when USSR didn’t take Ukraine.  But then, I bet that Ukr/West Russia would become the industry standard for Russian openings (rather than just a popular choice)

[OutsideLime]

… not to mention the US complex in Sinkiang!  8 American tanks in Asia on US2?  Done!

~Josh

[losttribe04]

Through the course of history (and even today) invaders / defenders made militia unit where ever they went. I like the idea that INF can spawn from where ever you want not to exceed the locations IPC index. To bad thats not a rule :cry:

[Jennifer]

I actually did the IC in E. Canada trick once.  Then again, I lost none of my fleet to the Japanese and only the DD and BB in the Med you can’t defend before Germany goes.  That means I started the game with 4 Transports and only needed 2 more (1 for SZ 1 to SZ 2 and 1 for SZ 6 to SZ 5) to move 10 units a round into N. Asia/Europe.

Now, Switch is going to chime in with a quote of mine taken completely out of context where I say that 3 transports is enough.  Yes.  When you have England ONLY to produce units and ONLY because 4 transports makes you want to produce 8 ground units every round, to maximize and not waste their transport capability.  Then it is good to go with 3 transports, 6 ground units and 1 or 2 air/sea units a round.

[Wazzup]

UK IC build is never a recommendation of mine.  I would always say to maximize production in the UK and focus on Germany.

However, if you build that IC in India, you’d better buy US navy in the pacific to keep it UK.

[losttribe04]

As the UK on UK 1 I buy 2 IC. I put on in India the other in S Africa. After that I buy 3 INF for India and 2 ARM for S Africa, and maybe a fighter for England. I don’t do any thing in Asia for at least a turn or 2. I use the ARM to clear out Africa fast then move them to reinforce India. With the FTR’s I move them to the Russian front line, then the next turn I move them to India. Don’t know if there is a flaw in my plan I don’t play any one very good mostly teach people how to play hoping they want to play again and not run away kicking and screeming. (little success as of yet.

[newpaintbrush]

@losttribe04:

As the UK on UK 1 I buy 2 IC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream

If BOTH the US and USSR are total retards, UK will need ICs.  But NOT two on the first turn, because there is a good chance of London falling to Germany.

Seriously, though, 2 ICs is only something you should ever do if US and USSR are both retarded.  It is, I think, almost certainly not an efficient strategy.  South Africa is too easy for Japan to overwhelm (if you just beef up at South Africa, there’s almost no point in putting an IC there in the first place).  You could build a fleet and army at S. Africa/India, but that leaves Germany free run of Europe, and USSR will have far more pressure applied against it.

[losttribe04]

I guess I left a wee part out the US player on US1 starts to mass a Navy in the Atlantic thus making an expensive buffer to break.

[rjclayton]

@newpaintbrush:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream

Or:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Alone

[newpaintbrush]

@losttribe04:

I guess I left a wee part out the US player on US1 starts to mass a Navy in the Atlantic thus making an expensive buffer to break.

The US does need a fleet.  But going India/S. Africa is FAR more suited to a KJF than a KGF.

The UK is gallivanting off in India and South Africa, while the US is building a fleet in the Atlantic.  And meanwhile, the Russians are - where?  No reinforcements.

The Germans and Japs don’t need to break that Atlantic buffer.  All they need to do is make a beeline for Moscow for the win.

[Wazzup]

Lots of armor

[losttribe04]

RE: to the KJF comment,

I don’t use UK to KJF, I use them to pacify Japan until I done with Germany. 3 INF and maybe 2 ARM per turn isn’t going to slow down Japan if they want the mainland.

[Jennifer]

Nah, no point to actually KILL Japan.  Too much work to get theri capital.  But, if you can take Borneo, East Indies and Philippines with England and Manchuria, Kwangtung, FIC with Russia, you are miles ahead of the game.  Even if you only take with England, that’s a massive coup for the Allies, and it’s very hard to protect against with Japan.

Everyone keeps saying that Japan can’t be cracked.  It’s not fiscally feasible.  Honky tonk!  Don’t let the Switches out there force you into THEIR game.  I’ve taken lots of islands with England before, especially if Japan is watching America build fleet and ignoring England!

[newpaintbrush]

@losttribe04:

RE: to the KJF comment,

I don’t use UK to KJF, I use them to pacify Japan until I done with Germany. 3 INF and maybe 2 ARM per turn isn’t going to slow down Japan if they want the mainland.

Yeah, I actually think that was pretty well implied.  I don’t think there’s any way in hell that you can use India and South Africa to KJF while America’s building an Atlantic fleet.  It would be pretty ridiculous to expect Japan to actually fall.

I understand that you are NOT using the industrial complexes to KJF.  What I wrote was that I think you perhaps SHOULD be using one of those for a KJF plan.  (I don’t think the second should be built, but if it HAD to be, I think only a KJF would be good).

If you’re building an Atlantic fleet with the US, and are messing around in India/Africa with UK, Russia is going to take a beating - if you have skilled Axis opponents.

[Jennifer]

Nah, IC in India, IC in East Indies maybe an IC in Borneo.  That’s 11 Units a round into the Pac with England.  Ignore Germany other then reinforcements to Russia.  Let Russia slow Germany, and crush Japan.  Reduce them to their mainland, take their navy away, then go whole hog on Germany. (Russia should be under risk of falling at this point, but with the ability to stack up in SFE you can walk to Moscow with America and England taking the land for yourself until Moscow is liberated and push the Germans back.)

[newpaintbrush]

@Jennifer:

Nah, IC in India, IC in East Indies maybe an IC in Borneo.  That’s 11 Units a round into the Pac with England.  Ignore Germany other then reinforcements to Russia.  Let Russia slow Germany, and crush Japan.  Reduce them to their mainland, take their navy away, then go whole hog on Germany. (Russia should be under risk of falling at this point, but with the ability to stack up in SFE you can walk to Moscow with America and England taking the land for yourself until Moscow is liberated and push the Germans back.)

Putting the wagon before the horse?

Exactly how is UK supposed to afford three ICs AND capture all those territories without any support from US?

[Guest]

NO nation should EVER build 2 IC’s in turn 1.