Hmm, might not have been worth declaring war on Japan to save the Chinese troops for a round.
15L Playoff Rd2: Balladeer (Axis) vs. Alexgreat (Allies +26)
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it is a quick move, but cant do it before tomorrow night.
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 8
Combat Move - French
2 infantry moved from Algeria to TunisiaNon Combat Move - French
Turn Complete - French
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Somehow I didn’t get the notification of this move, will play tomorrow probably.
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nw, Balladeer. Was excited and apprehensive at the same time to see what Germany is up to, but next days is easily good enough.
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 9
Research Technology - Germans
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 5 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Combat Move - Germans
2 mech_infantrys moved from Baltic States to Belarus
1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Belarus
2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway
2 mech_infantrys moved from Vyborg to Norway
2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Norway
1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Volgograd
8 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Iraq
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
8 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to IraqCombat - Germans
Battle in Volgograd
Germans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 2 mech_infantrys
1 artillery owned by the Germans retreated to Caucasus
Russians win with 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
Battle in Norway
Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Germans win, taking Norway from British with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Battle in Persia
Germans attack with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
Germans win, taking Persia from British with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
Battle in Iraq
Germans attack with 8 armour and 16 mech_infantrys
British defend with 1 infantry
Germans win, taking Iraq from British with 8 armour and 15 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
Battle in Belarus
Germans attack with 2 bombers and 3 mech_infantrys
Russians defend with 2 mech_infantrys
Germans win, taking Belarus from Russians with 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
Casualties for Russians: 2 mech_infantrysNon Combat Move - Germans
2 bombers moved from Belarus to Romania
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
1 fighter moved from Norway to Western Germany
2 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
7 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States
3 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 18 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
2 artilleries moved from France to Western Germany
1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to FrancePlace Units - Germans
1 transport placed in 113 Sea Zone
6 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
Germans undo move 2.
5 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
2 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry placed in Western GermanyTurn Complete - Germans
Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,1,3,6,5
Germans collect 51 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 51 PUs total
Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs
Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 62 PUs
Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs -
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 9
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 1 artillery and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Combat Move - Russians
1 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
Russians take Korea from Japanese
1 bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod
2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Western Ukraine
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Belarus
2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Belarus
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
48 infantry moved from Rostov to CaucasusCombat - Russians
Strategic bombing raid in Novgorod
AA fire in Novgorod : 0/1 hits
Bombing raid in Novgorod rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_minor
Bombing raid in Novgorod causes 4 damage total.
Battle in Western Ukraine
Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
Italians defend with 1 mech_infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 1/4 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine
Russians win, taking Western Ukraine from Italians with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
Battle in Ukraine
Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
Germans defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Ukraine, round 2 : 3/4 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine
Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Battle in Caucasus
Russians attack with 48 infantry
Germans defend with 1 artillery
Russians roll dice for 48 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 4/48 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
Russians win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 48 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
Battle in Belarus
Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 2 mech_infantrys
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 2 : 1/4 hits
Germans roll dice for 2 mech_infantrys in Belarus, round 2 : 0/2 hits
1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 3 : 1/4 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
Russians win, taking Belarus from Germans with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys
Trigger Russians Conquer Japanese Territory By Mongolia: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Mongolia_May_Change_To_Russians_Control_Switch attached to RussiansNon Combat Move - Russians
1 fighter moved from Belarus to Russia
1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Russia
1 fighter moved from Western Ukraine to Russia
1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Russia
1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Russia
1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
1 armour moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
1 armour moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus
1 aaGun and 11 infantry moved from Kansu to Shensi
1 aaGun moved from Amur to Korea
1 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 14 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
1 armour moved from Bryansk to Russia
1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to RussiaPlace Units - Russians
1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in RussiaTurn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs total
Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 40 PUs -
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 9
Purchase Units - Japanese
Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;Combat Move - Japanese
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 2 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Burma to India
1 fighter moved from Malaya to India
1 bomber moved from Burma to 80 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Malaya to Szechwan
1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
Japanese take 37 Sea Zone from UK_Pacific
1 destroyer, 2 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to KoreaCombat - Japanese
Battle in 80 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 bomber
British defend with 1 transport
Japanese win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for British: 1 transport
Battle in Szechwan
Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
Chinese defend with 1 infantry
Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
Battle in Sumatra
Japanese attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
ANZAC defend with 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Japanese win, taking Sumatra from ANZAC with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Battle in India
Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
British defend with 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
Japanese captures 9PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital
Japanese win, taking India from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for British: 2 infantry
Battle in Korea
Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
Japanese win, taking Korea from Russians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantryNon Combat Move - Japanese
1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to Japan
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to 6 Sea Zone
1 mech_infantry moved from Malaya to Yunnan
1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
1 fighter moved from India to Burma
2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kweichow to Hunan
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Hopei to Anhwe
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu
1 bomber moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to French Indo ChinaPlace Units - Japanese
1 carrier, 2 fighters and 2 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Hunan: 2 mech_infantrys
EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kiangsu: 2 mech_infantrys
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China
1 mech_infantry placed in KiangsuTurn Complete - Japanese
Japanese collect 51 PUs; end with 60 PUs total
Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs -
If I were Admiral Ackbar, I’d strongly suspect a trap when I attack s6 and Japan simultaneously.
How are your kami pilots? Just asking :roll:
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I’m gonna get great dice and own your transports!
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 9
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 6 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Combat Move - Americans
1 transport moved from 125 Sea Zone to 124 Sea Zone
2 transports moved from 123 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
2 transports moved from 117 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 123 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
1 transport moved from 124 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
2 destroyers moved from 125 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 125 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 125 Sea Zone to Norway
1 fighter moved from 125 Sea Zone to Norway
1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
1 armour moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to PhilippinesCombat - Americans
Battle in Philippines
Battle in Norway
Americans attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
Germans defend with 2 artilleries and 2 mech_infantrys
Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in Norway, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Norway, round 2 : 3/5 hits
Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 mech_infantrys in Norway, round 2 : 1/4 hits
1 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in Norway
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Norway, round 3 : 2/4 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Norway, round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Norway
Americans win, taking Philippines from Japanese, taking Norway from Germans with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries and 2 mech_infantrys
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantryNon Combat Move - Americans
2 fighters moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
1 artillery moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 2 carriers, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 4 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Midway to Caroline Islands
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
2 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea ZonePlace Units - Americans
1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Eastern United States
6 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
1 bomber and 1 fighter placed in Eastern United StatesTurn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 59 PUs; end with 59 PUs total
Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs
Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUs -
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 9
Purchase Units - British
British buy 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Combat Move - British
1 unit repaired.
1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
1 armour moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from West India to India
1 bomber moved from Egypt to Persia
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to India
1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 125 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from 127 Sea Zone to FinlandCombat - British
Battle in Finland
Battle in Persia
British attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Persia, round 2 : 3/5 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Persia, round 2 : 1/2 hits
1 armour owned by the Germans, 1 mech_infantry owned by the British and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Persia
British win, taking Finland from Germans, taking Persia from Germans with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
Battle in India
British attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Japanese defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
British roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in India, round 2 : 2/6 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry in India, round 2 : 0/2 hits
1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in India
British win, taking India from Japanese with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantryNon Combat Move - British
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to West India
1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to West India
1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Greece to 99 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
1 armour moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
4 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Norway
1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Norway
4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
1 aaGun and 3 artilleries moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 3 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to NorwayPlace Units - British
2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa
1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt
1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in United KingdomTurn Complete - British
Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3
British collect 33 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 33 PUs total
Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUsTurn Complete - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs total -
Hmm, no Japan? And the misery goes on ;-)
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Balladeer, can I have a couple hours for a US non-combat manouver, unrelated to any UK combat rolls? Need to be away an hour or so, but would do then.
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Hmm, the Norway attack is illegal with 2 inf, 1 art and 2 fighters, as the AA has to be unloaded but is unable, so the 2nd infantry shouldn’t have been unloaded either… How shall we handle this?
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I do hate those transport rules so much. Think its the 4th time I am corrected on them. I believe you, but what is the explicit mistake this time, I dont get it. If I cant unload both, neither cannot?
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Exactly! You have to unload the whole transport at once in combat move, or not unload at all.
I believe it’s different in NCM, not sure though.
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Baladeer are dou sure? I dont have access to map but i guess tje inf to norway war loaded already during last turn ncm? In this case it is correct to unload just one unit. The rule youbare referring to applies to units that have been loaded during combat move phasw.
As said in case inf and aa are loaded in the previous turn during ncm it is legal to just unload the inf during next turns combat move. The aa has be stay on the tt then as no ncm from the same tt is possible in the same turn.
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Sry for typos. I will never be able to properly type on smartphone keyboards.
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I checked the map now. The Norway attack was legal. As said, the reason is that these units were loaded during NCM of the last turn. In this case there is no requirement to unload all units.
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After reading the rules again, for once I did not make a mistake. Whatever was loaded at the start of the turn already can offload, but does not have to. I certainly hope that this is why I did not offload the turn before, as I made that mistake with you before.
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