Jagula (Axis) vs. Geograph (Allies), 1942.2 - Game 2

[Jagula]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour, 5 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Archangel
            9 armour, 6 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from West Russia to Caucasus
                  Germans take Caucasus from Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Italy to France
            1 infantry moved from Germany to France
            2 infantry moved from Germany to Northwestern Europe
            2 bombers moved from Karelia S.S.R. to France
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            2 fighters moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Northwestern Europe
            1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Archangel
            3 fighters moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Northwestern Europe

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Northwestern Europe
                Germans attack with 5 fighters and 2 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Northwestern Europe from Americans with 5 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Archangel
                Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Archangel from Russians with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in France
                Germans attack with 2 bombers and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour
                Germans win, taking France from British with 2 bombers and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for British: 1 armour
            Battle in Trans-Jordan
                Germans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour
                Germans win, taking Trans-Jordan from British with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt
            2 aaGuns moved from West Russia to Caucasus
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to West Russia
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R.
            3 infantry moved from Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
            2 bombers moved from France to Karelia S.S.R.
            5 fighters moved from Northwestern Europe to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 fighter moved from Archangel to Karelia S.S.R.
            2 infantry moved from Germany to Baltic States
            1 artillery moved from Germany to Baltic States
            3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland

Place Units - Germans
            2 armour placed in Karelia S.S.R.
            5 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs total

Territory Summary for Germans :

Archangel : 1 flag, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
    Baltic States : 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Caucasus : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 9 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 factory and 9 infantry
    Egypt : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    France : 2 infantry
    Germany : 1 aaGun, 5 artilleries, 1 factory and 5 infantry
    Gibraltar : 1 flag
    Italy : 1 factory
    Karelia S.S.R. : 1 flag, 2 armour, 2 bombers, 1 factory, 6 fighters and 1 infantry
    Northwestern Europe : 2 infantry
    Poland : 3 artilleries and 1 infantry
    Trans-Jordan : 1 flag, 1 artillery
    Ukraine S.S.R. : 3 infantry
    West Russia : 2 artilleries and 2 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 14 / 19
    Germans : 51 / 51
    British : 27 / 39
    Japanese : 38 / 39
    Americans : 38 / 40

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[Geograph]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 8 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 8 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 14 Sea Zone to France
            1 fighter moved from 8 Sea Zone to France
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to France
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 8 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 14 Sea Zone to Morocco
                  British take Morocco from Germans
            1 armour, 1 bomber and 3 infantry moved from India to Burma
            4 fighters moved from 34 Sea Zone to Burma
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                British win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in France
                British attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in France, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in France, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in France
                British win, taking France from Germans with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Burma
                British attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 3 artilleries and 5 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 3 infantry in Burma, round 2 :  4/9 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 3 artilleries and 5 infantry in Burma, round 2 :  0/8 hits
                    4 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 3 infantry in Burma, round 3 :  3/9 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 3 artilleries and 1 infantry in Burma, round 3 :  3/4 hits
                    3 infantry owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 artilleries owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Burma, round 4 :  3/6 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Burma, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                British win, taking Burma from Japanese with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 artilleries and 5 infantry
                Casualties for British: 3 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            4 fighters moved from Burma to India
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Persia to India
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
            2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Burma to India
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter moved from 8 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from France to 14 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from France to United Kingdom

Place Units - British
            1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in India
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs total

Territory Summary for British :

14 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 transports
    28 Sea Zone : 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    31 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    32 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    35 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    37 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    47 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    Burma : 1 armour
    Eastern Australia : 1 infantry
    France : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    India : 1 aaGun, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 5 fighters and 3 infantry
    Morocco : 1 flag, 1 armour and 1 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 infantry
    Persia : 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 factory, 2 fighters and 3 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 14 / 19
    Germans : 44 / 51
    British : 35 / 35
    Japanese : 37 / 39
    Americans : 38 / 40

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[Jagula]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to 63 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Anhwei to 63 Sea Zone
            4 fighters moved from 36 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Sinkiang to Caucasus
                  Japanese take Kazakh S.S.R. from Russians
            1 artillery moved from Sinkiang to Novosibirsk
                  Japanese take Novosibirsk from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Vologda
                  Japanese take Vologda from Russians

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 63 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 6 fighters
                Americans defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 3 submarines and 1 transport
                3 submarines owned by the Americans Submerged
                Japanese win with 2 bombers and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 39
                Casualties for Americans: 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 fighters

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 48 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Philippine Islands to 48 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 48 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 61 Sea Zone to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from 61 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            2 battleships, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 4 submarines and 2 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 62 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from 63 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            1 fighter moved from 63 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            1 fighter moved from 63 Sea Zone to Yakut S.S.R.
            1 fighter moved from 63 Sea Zone to Buryatia S.S.R.
            2 infantry moved from Anhwei to Sinkiang

Place Units - Japanese
            1 factory placed in East Indies
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Manchuria
            1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs total

Territory Summary for Japanese :

61 Sea Zone : 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 destroyers, 4 submarines and 3 transports
    Anhwei : 1 flag
    Buryatia S.S.R. : 1 flag, 1 fighter
    Caroline Islands : 1 infantry
    Caucasus : 1 armour
    East Indies : 1 factory and 1 infantry
    Evenki National Okrug : 1 flag
    Iwo Jima : 1 infantry
    Japan : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
    Kazakh S.S.R. : 1 flag
    Kwangtung : 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
    Manchuria : 2 artilleries, 1 factory and 1 infantry
    New Guinea : 1 infantry
    Novosibirsk : 1 flag, 1 artillery
    Sinkiang : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Szechwan : 1 flag
    Vologda : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Wake Island : 1 infantry
    Yakut S.S.R. : 1 flag, 1 fighter
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 9 / 19
    Germans : 44 / 51
    British : 35 / 35
    Japanese : 42 / 42
    Americans : 38 / 40

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[Jagula]

Hmm…that British counter in Burma really hurt Japan, I was not expecting that, great move!  I’ve learned a lot this game though…never had to deal with an aggressive British and American navy in the Pacific.  You are a creative player and you’ve definitely caught me off guard this game!

[Geograph]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Vologda
                Americans attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Vologda
                Americans win, taking Vologda from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from Vologda to Russia
            2 fighters moved from Iceland to Russia
            3 fighters moved from 14 Sea Zone to Russia
            2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 14 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 8 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 10 Sea Zone to Eastern Canada
            1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Western Canada to Eastern Canada
            1 armour moved from Alaska to Eastern Canada
            1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 64 Sea Zone to 52 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 56 Sea Zone to 52 Sea Zone
            3 submarines moved from 63 Sea Zone to 64 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            2 transports placed in 11 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 infantry placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs total

Territory Summary for Americans :

10 Sea Zone : 2 transports
    11 Sea Zone : 2 transports
    14 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
    52 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 4 submarines
    64 Sea Zone : 3 submarines
    Eastern Canada : 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry
    Eastern United States : 1 factory, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
    Russia : 6 fighters and 1 infantry
    Soviet Far East : 1 infantry
    Vologda : 1 infantry
    Western United States : 1 factory

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 11 / 19
    Germans : 44 / 51
    British : 35 / 35
    Japanese : 40 / 42
    Americans : 38 / 38

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[Geograph]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour moved from Russia to Kazakh S.S.R.
                  Russians take Kazakh S.S.R. from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Novosibirsk
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Novosibirsk
            2 fighters moved from Russia to Archangel
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Archangel

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Archangel
                Russians attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 :  3/3 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 artillery owned by the Russians, 1 fighter owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Archangel
                retreated to Archangel
                Germans win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Battle in Novosibirsk
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                    Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Novosibirsk, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Novosibirsk, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Novosibirsk
                Russians win, taking Novosibirsk from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter moved from Novosibirsk to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Archangel to Russia
            1 armour moved from Kazakh S.S.R. to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            6 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 14 PUs; end with 15 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

Novosibirsk : 1 infantry
    Russia : 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 factory, 2 fighters and 25 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 14 / 15
    Germans : 44 / 51
    British : 35 / 35
    Japanese : 37 / 42
    Americans : 38 / 38

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[Geograph]

Thank you! But I don’t make any progress. Japan is still in the upper 30ties, Germany is really strong and my Russians are to weak.  :|

And by the way: Good defense in Archangel. Thats a killer  :-o

[Jagula]

That stinks…  I just got home late from a concert so I won’t be able to do my turn until tomorrow morning, but should be done by the time you normally do your turn.

[Jagula]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour and 13 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from Northwestern Europe to France
            2 artilleries moved from Germany to France
            1 artillery moved from Archangel to Russia
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from West Russia to Russia
            1 armour moved from Caucasus to Kazakh S.S.R.
                  Germans take Kazakh S.S.R. from Russians
            1 armour moved from Kazakh S.S.R. to Russia
            8 armour, 7 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Caucasus to Russia
            2 armour, 2 bombers and 6 fighters moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia

Combat - Germans
            Battle in France
                Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking France from British with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Russia
                Germans attack with 11 armour, 10 artilleries, 2 bombers, 6 fighters and 11 infantry
                Americans defend with 6 fighters and 1 infantry; Russians defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 factory, 2 fighters and 25 infantry
                Germans captures 15PUs while taking Russians capital
                Germans win, taking Russia from Russians with 1 armour, 2 bombers and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 33
                Casualties for Germans: 10 armour, 10 artilleries, 2 fighters and 11 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 6 fighters and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 fighters and 25 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 bombers moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
            3 fighters moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R.
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
            3 artilleries moved from Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
            2 infantry moved from Germany to Baltic States
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

Place Units - Germans
            2 armour and 2 infantry placed in Caucasus
            2 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.
            9 infantry placed in Germany
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Russia: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Russia: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 60 PUs; end with 75 PUs total

Territory Summary for Germans :

Archangel : 1 flag
    Baltic States : 2 infantry
    Caucasus : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 2 armour, 2 bombers, 1 factory, 3 fighters and 5 infantry
    Egypt : 1 flag
    France : 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
    Germany : 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries, 1 factory and 12 infantry
    Gibraltar : 1 flag
    Italy : 1 factory
    Karelia S.S.R. : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 5 infantry
    Kazakh S.S.R. : 1 flag
    Russia : 1 flag, 1 armour and 1 factory
    Trans-Jordan : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Ukraine S.S.R. : 3 artilleries and 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 4 / 0
    Germans : 60 / 75
    British : 29 / 35
    Japanese : 37 / 42
    Americans : 38 / 38

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[Jagula]

So when i attacked Russia I was planning on strafing depending on the outcome of the first round.  So i kept your AA guns alive after the first round since I figured you’d want them alive if I retreated.  Then the second round attack went so well for me that I decided to keep going and I took your AA guns as losses to give you a better defense.  I don’t think the two infantry would have mattered considering the planes I still have alive.

I’m not really sure of the protocol for that, but I figure I’d take your losses as if I was defending.

[Jagula]

We can maybe take one of my fighters as an extra loss or something if you would have taken your AA’s out on the first round…I’m not sure…

[Geograph]

Right, usually you choose the losses as you were the defending player.
Sometimes there’s no other way than rolling your dice and asking your opponent for the losses. But in our case it won’t make a big difference.

Game is over, I have to concede.
Well played! I had no chance with my UK approach in India.

How about a new game? You want to switch sides this time or shall I try the Allies a third time? and how about a bid? I think the truth is somewhere between 6 and 9 IPCs. Just tell me what you think…

[Jagula]

Yes, it was a creative approach, and slowed down the Japanese advance, but just a round or two too late to start supporting Russia…without a bid at least.  I’m down to play another game with some sort of standard bid, but I’m going to be busy for most of the night tonight.  As far as which side, I don’t mind either way.  If you also don’t mind, then maybe I’ll do Allies this time.  I can set the game up later tonight or tomorrow

[Geograph]

Sounds good.

I would suggest a bid of 9 IPCs?!?
If you agree, I’m looking foreward to your Allied approach  :-D

[Geograph]

I forgot to mention the russian bomber bid in Moscow.
I saw this working pretty good in a game. So that could be an other option.

Whatever you choose will be fine for me  8-)

[Jagula]

Yeah, I was thinking of that bomber bid. I think I’ll do that.  This will be my first game ever playing a human as Allies, so we’ll see how this works out… :|