@Curtmungus your honor of being more famous than me is quite deserved. I salute you.
Stanley
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having a electoral college without take all policy would be a more democractic process. the small staes would be worth more (still have 3 points) while big sttates woun’t be as importan you can get 14 of the 22 points for the state instead off all 22. that would be better off the smaller states. also dems in the south repulicans in the north etc wont fell like there vote counts as nothing.
thats your quote cyan….
you would have the small states be royally screwed by trying to divy up votes. we all know those new england states are so freaking blue its sick. they are more eurpoean than american, and screw europe, they have no histroy anyone would want. and no, i’ve heard this before, but only by liberals, who are dying, just dying for any extra electoral college vote. forget it, we arent changing our system and liberals will not be helped.
you feel as if the democrats wiuldbe elected to office all the time if this syestem was implmented. thought you belived in dmcracy. you say you dislike israel beacuse it the minnoty ruling over the majority. so what you are saying know would oprres the democratic party so your party could stay in power(which is the minoty) this seem very hypocritical. http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=8032.180
well the dems would not be automatically elected to office. lets look at Californa.(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/elections/2004/ca/) wel bush revived 44% of the votes while John Kerry recived 54%. normally kerry would get all 55 points(which is alot). .4455=24.2; .5455= 29.7 KErry would have gotten 30 points and bush would have gotten 24 points. that puts bush at a differnce of +48 points than what the regular syestem would of had. what you sugest aacutuall throws out like 40% of the nations votes.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/elections/2004/ma/) MA is in new england “more european than europe” really liberal and where KErry was from . it is worht 12 points and bush won 37% of the votes. thats .37*12=4.44 or 4 points in which bush would have had in Kerry’s home state 4 points that would have went undemocraticaly to JOhn KErry. so New england actually would give some points to the republicans
so i still belieave that a more democratic way of running the elections would to have the electrol syestem but to take the winner take all poilcy away. this will stop 40% of the population from having “worthless votes”
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doesn’t nebraska already do this?
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yes sir we do. go huskers.
i think we are the only state to do so. and for the record, the system is good as is. it doesnt need to be changed. hell look at the BCS, as soon as you change something all anyone does is bitch about it.
so i still belieave that a more democratic way of running the elections would to have the electrol syestem but to take the winner take all poilcy away. this will stop 40% of the population from having “worthless votes”
its still up to the states to decide who they want to be president. if you live in a state with worthless votes, your beef is with your own state, not the national process.
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I have to ask this considering what we are currently discussing…
What in the hell did y’all do with Stanley?
:mrgreen:
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@ncscswitch:
I have to ask this considering what we are currently discussing…
What in the hell did y’all do with Stanley?
:mrgreen:
cause all the stanlys of america are lossing there vote to the majortiy of the state. think almost one half of all stanlys loss there vote. :)
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Stanley is not something you can hold a particularly long discussion on
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Stanley is not something you can hold a particularly long discussion on
I cantalk forever about Stanley http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/playhouse/stanley/ ITs the best show ever its about theis kid a golfish a dog and a cat. they have this big book and have travel to the animals in the book. and you get to learn about elephants …best show ever!! (sacrasm) my little brother and sister used to watch it.
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Well if you don’t understand the point I am trying to make it’s my fault for being unable to explain clearly enough. I do suggest you do a bit of research on pro=college view points so that perhaps someone else can explain better than I.
Dezrtfish, I am impressed that you know as much as you do about the Electoral College. John Kerry would be amazed to learn how ejumakated our citizen-soldiers are. You did good.
I find it truly ironic that the people arguing for the destruction of the electoral college are the ones who understand it least. You would think that before they try to change something, they would try to understand its function so they can be assured the replacement will be better. Maybe that is just engineer thinking…
For those who actually are interested in how it works, here is a link to a good initial resource.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_CollegeAnd here is a nice starting point in that resource for improving the level of discourse about why we have an electoral college.
The Electoral College dilutes the votes of population centers that might have different concerns from the rest of the country. The system is supposed to require presidential candidates to appeal to many different types of interests, rather than, say, the urban voter. The College enabled the Founding Fathers to deftly incorporate the Connecticut Compromise and three-fifths compromise into the system of choosing the President and Vice President, sparing the convention further acrimony over the issue of state representation.
In the Federalist Papers No. 39, James Madison argued that the Constitution was designed to be a mixture of federal (state-based) and national (population-based) government. The Congress would have two houses, one federal and one national in character, while the President would be elected by a mixture of the two modes, giving some electoral power to the states and some to the people in general. Both the Congress and the President would be elected by mixed federal and national means.
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Dezrtfish, I am impressed that you know as much as you do about the Electoral College. John Kerry would be amazed to learn how ejumakated our citizen-soldiers are. You did good.
I find it truly ironic that the people arguing for the destruction of the electoral college are the ones who understand it least. You would think that before they try to change something, they would try to understand its function so they can be assured the replacement will be better. Maybe that is just engineer thinking…
lol, The citizen half of me is a draftsman in an engineering dept. I’m not directly supervised by an engineer though, so I guess “systems designer” in a more acurate job discription.
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Dezrtfish, I am impressed that you know as much as you do about the Electoral College. John Kerry would be amazed to learn how ejumakated our citizen-soldiers are. You did good.
I find it truly ironic that the people arguing for the destruction of the electoral college are the ones who understand it least. You would think that before they try to change something, they would try to understand its function so they can be assured the replacement will be better. Maybe that is just engineer thinking…
lol, The citizen half of me is a draftsman in an engineering dept. I’m not directly supervised by an engineer though, so I guess “systems designer” in a more acurate job discription.
Another ‘engineer’ out there! Good to meet you.
I did my 22+ of active and reserve and retired 11 days ago.
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Good time to retire. I will have 17 years in may. with my luck just enough time to take one more trip over.
If you ever in Phoenix let me know, we can play a game or just go shooting… :-D
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Good time to retire. I will have 17 years in may. with my luck just enough time to take one more trip over.
If you ever in Phoenix let me know, we can play a game or just go shooting…Â :-D
My wife and kids thought retirement was a good thing too. It was a hard decision.
I keep you in mind if I’m in Phoenix. I could really enjoy the shooting. Don’t get to do that much here in the land of nuts, fruits and flakes.
Look me up in Monterey if you find yourself in the area.
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