Quick answer is that bids seem to keep going up with bids over 20 now common.
yes
just the dollar amount.
G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread
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In the 2018 league in BM games, Axis are pulling away from the Allies, now at 53.9% Axis wins, normally with a small bid to the Axis. In G40 games, Axis are 56.6%, normally with bigger bids than in the past.
Perhaps we shouldn’t be giving bids to the Axis for BM any more?
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In the 2018 league in BM games, Axis are pulling away from the Allies, now at 53.9% Axis wins, normally with a small bid to the Axis. In G40 games, Axis are 56.6%, normally with bigger bids than in the past.
Perhaps we shouldn’t be giving bids to the Axis for BM any more?
There is no need for an axis bid, Allies need a bid if any
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Moving this here from league discussion page on Simon’s suggestion.
I had a couple of strategy questions for the UK first round in BM. I hope I’m not putting this in the wrong thread but I wasn’t sure if I should be putting BM questions in the global thread. But the absence of the bid (which I often used at least partially in the UK) changes the situation a bit and I’ve had trouble deciding on what to do now that I have shifted to mostly playing BM.
Q1 Assuming the typical attack on the UK fleet (all air in range and all but 1 or 2 subs hits the navy around UK and 1 or 2 subs hits the destroyer off of Canada and optimally divided between the two sea zones) what are the game conditions that would motivate the allies to scramble 110 or both. I’ve read on this site that its worth it to get the trade of UK air for German air. I see the logic of that but it still seems a risky move that reduces the options for the UK after. I would be interested in hearing from people who might sometimes do that why they do so and the game effects of that choice. This question is relevant to both BM and regular but in regular games the bid (for me at least) often means an additional fighter in Scotland which often makes scrambling (in either sea zone) a safer option.
Q2 I’ve noticed that the most common UK options in BM in the first turn are to hit the main Italian fleet off of Taranto, set up off Egypt or set up off Gibraltar. When I first started playing last year I read in some of the discussion threads on global that Taranto was considered to often be the optimal UK move. In BM mode, it seems to me that the UK is a bit more vulnerable to sealion if you go for it since the allies lack the bid placement. This means Taranto is more risky, at least if there is no J1 DOW since it pulls away the air. Anyway, I’m just interested in what informs the choice that people make here and what conditions at the beginning of UK1 make one choice more optimal than another.
Simon replied:
“If UK keeps one plane in the UK/Scotland, it can still do Taranto. Even if every air unit leaves London so long as the UK mobilises 6inf 1ftr, Sea Lion still would be sub optimal. So the risk is not that high IMO.”I should qualify my point in that moving the air for the Taranto raid makes sea lion success more likely for Germany but it doesn’t necessarily mean it is always going to work or the optimal move for Germany. Its just that in bm games, all things being equal, UK is often more vulnerable to sea lion than in regular games with an allied bid (where often some of that bid is placed in the UK)
I had a game recently where I did taranto (with 2 fighters from London) and built the 6 inf one air in UK and then proceeded to lose the UK to sea lion. The Germans had built navy, and had a better than average result with the dice in the first round and Taranto was a disaster (I brought everything I could and every UK unit missed). They were able to do sea lion quite easily, but I’m not sure it was the best move in the end given the opening that gave the Soviets. They ended up winning the game in the Pacific just before I was able to take Berlin with the Soviets.
The relative German success on their first turn along with their naval bid might have been a reason for me to rethink Taranto. But I’m interested in what influences other people’s choices here. I’m trying to improve how I read the board in BM and how the outcomes of the German turn (and also Japan’s) influence one’s options as UK.
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I will try to answer you briefly
Q1: Scrambling Scotland. I think if Germany buys navy/carrier G1 it is a good move to sramble scotland if the BB goes to 111, because you assume he will pull back after one round to save the BB. If the battleship goes to 110, the scotland scramble might be at more risk. If Germany buys all men for Russia it’s fairly safe to scramble both 111 and 110, but I am not sure it is optimal. The logic is less planes for Russia, but you also remove your own freedom to operate. Sort of a gamble I guess
Q2: I “always” try to do taranto even in BM and I think it is safe as long as you only take to planes from united kingdom/scotland and buy 1 fighter 6 men. This might be on the weak side if Germany buys carrier and 2 transports though, but hey, you need to take some risks. Its not awefull to do taranto with only two fighters either (with all the other stuff) although I prefer 3
If 109 lives which it sometimes do when only one sub attacks, even more freedom to operate
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thanks for the response Oysteilo.
On Q1, I’ll note that I’m more interested in knowing why people scramble 110. You make a good point about how where the BB is going can influence the decisions in 111. But even if 111 is a risky move, the risk to the UK is easier to take than the loss of 3 planes in 110. But my sense was that some folks do take the risk to get the trade with the German air and I’m curious how that shapes subsequent game play.
On Q2, under what circumstances would you think make Taranto too risky or another move better for the UK?
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OK, so people scramble 110, but not 111 against scripted German play? I have not seen that
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OK, so people scramble 110, but not 111 against scripted German play? I have not seen that
probably they scramble both. Its just that I can see 111 as being a reasonable choice since the risk is only one fighter. 110 always just seems too risky for me.
Another of our colleagues here messaged me that they will scramble both if they see Germany building all land units. The logic being, I assume, that they know that the UK is safe from sea lion and they want to cut into the axis attack on the Soviets.
And I remember reading somewhere here an argument to scramble 110 but again that was alongside 111.
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I always scramble 111 against bb attack and navy build because it will on average kill one extra german unit at 0 cost. The 110 scramble is mostly depending on german land build. Otherwise it is just a big gamble imo
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what is the purpose of canada mode?
To make sea lion more likely and easier for italy to control the med?
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To be honest, I’m not sure that it’s a good mod. Canada isn’t as much fun to play as ANZAC. I guess more fun than France. The good thing about it is that if Sea Lion happens the Canadian IPCs still get collected. Whether that makes it worthwhile, I’m not sure.
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@ simon33 Might not be good currently but has awesome possibilities. I’ve been using it with some bonuses. 2 dollar boost from CWOs NO of SZs 123 and 117 being Allied controlled. Also use Elk’s VCs count for a buck.
They can hit after Italy as well. Map looks super cool and a lot of Canadian Players probably would be into it.
Anyway, I think it’s a good thing : )
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what is the purpose of canada mode?
To make sea lion more likely and easier for italy to control the med?
Just to be clear, there is no “Canada Mode” in BalanceMod. :mrgreen:
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Fair enough kid.
Not playing bm any more? Surprising after all that effort put in.
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I spectate y’all’s games a lot. Unfortunately, don’t have time for my own right now.
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When Germany does the BB to SZ 111, how come people still don’t scramble SZ 110 when UK fighter hits are immediately applied to German Air? I used to think the consensus was for that, but I see the better players no longer trying to immediately put the hurt on the Luffwaffe.
Is this because in BM3 the UK doesn’t get a bid ie. sub in SZ 98 to help with Taranto?
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Yeah the Med can quickly become a nightmare for the UK even with an average trade with a max scramble.
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When Germany does the BB to SZ 111, how come people still don’t scramble SZ 110 when UK fighter hits are immediately applied to German Air? I used to think the consensus was for that, but I see the better players no longer trying to immediately put the hurt on the Luffwaffe.
Is this because in BM3 the UK doesn’t get a bid ie. sub in SZ 98 to help with Taranto?
That rationale only works if the UK are sending 2 fighters from London to Taranto. You can send 1 from Scotland.
I’m also not sure why the UK opts not to hit a few Luftwaffe in SZ110 so often.
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Well Simon, I got that about 2 fighters from London to Taranto. I am just trying to figure out the rationale. If the Allies are planning on doing an early landing to slow Germany down (before spending in the Pacific) than maybe it makes more sense to scramble 110?
Just now in a BM3 game I got to do the SZ111 German battleship strafe and am glad the UK did not scramble 110z.
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Perhaps there is no valid rationale.
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To prevent the Vichy French rule, during the UK 1 non-combat moves turn, one of my opponents used his Mediterranean transport to move his Malta AAA and 1 infantry to S. France.
I checked by loading the game, “Start Local Game” in triplea. On France’s turn the Vichy Rule was not in effect.
UK loses stuff, but no Vichy French warships in sz 93 and no free-be walk-ons for Italy.
I think it’s interesting that the Allies have a work around option to prevent the Vichy Rule as a gamism quirk.
Also, the Vichy Govt. was then recognized by most western allied countries as the legitimate govt. of France. Vichy never technically joined the Axis; but was forced to collaborate in 1942 (at least according to Wikipedia). The gamism aspect of BM3 seems to follow that in how once S. France is occupied, the French forces disappear; similar to how in 1942 Germany forced France to disband it’s remaining army and navy.
However (real life), at the same time, if there was a small contingent of Allies troops in S. France besides the remains of the French Army not already smashed, the French govt. would have still capitulated. Most likely the Vichy Regime or something similar would have still taken place in July 1940. So, maybe the Allies should not get a work around to prevent the Vichy Rule of BM3?
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