Because it is an annoying pain in the butt. :mrgreen:
How about this option…
Germany has no forces on the board, but we’ll give you $200 to spend on G1.
How fair is that? How much fun would that be?
A German sack of UK on G1 would be about as fun as a USSR sack of Germany on R1.
Hello,
RealJerry wrote:
“I then put a tank and an infantry on my transport and moved my fleet a space over”
Not that it mattered with your awesome airforce, but that’s rules violation. A transport cannot carry both a tank and an infantry. It can only carry a tank by itself, two infantry, or an infantry with an anti-aircraft or artillery unit.
Your ships had infantry being tugged in lifeboats, I guess.
Cheers,
GeorgeFighter :-)
Sorry George.
In AAR, transports can carry 1 Inf + 1 other land unit (Tank, Artillery, or another Infantry). So no, it is not a rules violation.
GF, there are multiple versions of the game. The one you are refering to *based on your TRN limitation) is what we call “Classic” or just “Axis and Allies”. That is the Milton Bradley version (and teh Hasbro CD-ROM).
Revised (the version being discussed here) is the one put out by Avalon Hill a few years ago. And in Revised, TRN capacity is
Up to 1 INF and any 1 other land unit: INF, ART, ARM, AA
@ncscswitch:
How about this option…
Germany has no forces on the board, but we’ll give you $200 to spend on G1.
How fair is that? How much fun would that be?
A German sack of UK on G1 would be about as fun as a USSR sack of Germany on R1.
I’ve done this game!
It was classic, but it’d probably go just as bad for the Axis in revised. Everyone get’s their unit’s worth in IPCs and can spend and place them however they want. (Inclides AA Guns and Industrial Complexes.)
We also did it with mobile capitals. (-6 from original capital territory + 6 to new capital territory.)
Want to see the mayhem of an American capital in Sinkiang; British capital in India; Russian Capital in Yakut?
@ncscswitch:
There IS a trade off for the quick UK kill. It is the Russian Front and Africa.
OK, London falls G1. Germany gets uber money for G2. Say +2 for Karelia, + 8 for UK, -2 for West Russia, +30 for UK bankroll. Net +38, so $78. )Germany can;t afford Egypt in this case because of the Gibraltar BB)
Now I am going to assume that Germany was out the Ukraine FIG, since it is a pretty common R1 open to take Ukraine.
The AVERAGE is that UK falls with Germany having 2 FIGs, 1 ARM left. They lose 1 INF, 3 FIG, 1 BOM in the battle ($48 IPC of units). So already they come out BEHIND with $10 fewer IPC’s than they need just to replace losses from the attack.
But what else?
Only 2 FIGs to use in Central Europe on G2.
Royal Navy INTACT. If Germany sends EVERYTHING after the BB off Gibraltar, they can kill it, but that means giving up Egypt and THAT means threat to Germany from Ukraine to Western and total loss of Africa for the game. If they don;t sink that BB, UK is liberated by the US, and UK has an uber-navy to which Germany has NO counter force since the Luftwaffe is GONE.
US Liberates, and takes out somemore Kreigsmarine units.
On T2, Germany is back down to being EVEN at the start of Russia’s turn, then they lose some combination of Ukraine, Belo, Karelia to Russia, Libya to UK, Norway to USA.But here is the other kicker…
UK CAN LIBERATE ITSELF ON UK1
1 ARM from ECan, possible TWIN BB shots. 94% chance to liberate.
That means UK BUILDS on UK 2.
And that means 2 TRNs and land units.So on UK3, UK is hitting Europe jsut as hard as they would have if London had not fallen (except for the AF units).
But their fleet is untouchable, and Rusia was able to picket and trade against the massive G2 build, and now it is a battle for Europe, same as it ever was, except that the Luftwaffe is already dead.
these calculations need to take into account other factors.
All in all, I’d rather be on the Axis side of that confrontation.
Mateo
even better, if the german sub is used to attack the TRN outside of Eastern Canada and wins (a pretty good chance) , then UK CAN NOT even try to retake UK on turn 1. The sub prevents any british attempt to grab the canadian armour. Germany can then afford to lose, or just ignore the Gibralter battle, and hold UK until US turn.
Mateoo
All in all, I’d rather be on the Axis side of that confrontation.
Mateo
Oh I agree. Just being Devil’s Advocate that it is not automatic cetain death… just that you are in deep kimchee and are going to have to work like hell to pull out of it. BUT, if you do, the lack of Germany FIGs is going to be a major boost IF you can get UK back into the war by UK3.
if the uk has enough money for an ic but not its captial can it start prodicng units and buy an ic and put ot somewhere?
No, you cant build units unless you have your capital, the only things you can do are move and attack.
if the uk has enough money for an ic but not its captial can it start prodicng units and buy an ic and put ot somewhere?
How can the UK have any money if it doesn’t have a capital? :-)
Quick question, probably obvious. The turn a country takes back their capital, they start collecting income again… right?
Also, I am playing a game at DAAK, and am in a very interesting situation with LOTS of cool possibilities, regarding a situation similar to the one we are discussing (not with LRA, but with a similar chance of taking out UK) , I was wondering if there is a way I can post an ABattlemap here for people to see and offer opinions.
Mateooo
Quick question, probably obvious. The turn a country takes back their capital, they start collecting income again… right?
Yes.
Although since the taking-back of the capital happened after the Purchase New Units phase, the player must wait (and hold that capital!) until their next turn to purchase and mobilize new units.
Nothing hurts more than losing your capital and a stack of cash, taking back your capital, collecting income, and then getting recaptured again to lose the cash before you even have a chance to purchase new units.
~Josh
Also, I am playing a game at DAAK, and am in a very interesting situation with LOTS of cool possibilities, regarding a situation similar to the one we are discussing (not with LRA, but with a similar chance of taking out UK) , I was wondering if there is a way I can post an ABattlemap here for people to see and offer opinions.
Mateooo
Yup, just click “Additional Options” and then you’ll see how to attach a file. I’m interested to see your situation. Or just PM me or e-mail me.
Situation is, Japan has completed turn, destroying Pearl Harbor fleet losing only a SUB, with AC 2 FTR DD and BB remaining, so US doesnt have a play on hitting PH. Russia had some fairly bad rolls in UKR and WRU, retreating to conserve ARM. GER took EGY, which was taken back by UK.
US Turn is still pending (my opponent is being pokey). After that, Russia will go then my turn, as Germany Turn 2
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Actually the US DOES have a viable Pearl counter. It would be expensive, but cost Japan far more than the US.
And I do not see the risk to UK on that map… not any REAL risk anyway… There is a fleet in the way, forces in UK, and some of your AF our of range of both battles. Also, USA has not moved yet, and that means potential reinforce of UK…
Also, I am playing a game at DAAK, and am in a very interesting situation with LOTS of cool possibilities, regarding a situation similar to the one we are discussing (not with LRA, but with a similar chance of taking out UK) , I was wondering if there is a way I can post an ABattlemap here for people to see and offer opinions.
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Situation is, Japan has completed turn, destroying Pearl Harbor fleet losing only a SUB, with AC 2 FTR DD and BB remaining, so US doesnt have a play on hitting PH. Russia had some fairly bad rolls in UKR and WRU, retreating to conserve ARM. GER took EGY, which was taken back by UK.
US Turn is still pending (my opponent is being pokey). After that, Russia will go then my turn, as Germany Turn 2
1. Wait until Germany 1 to see if attack on UK is viable.
2. If I understand that map correctly, your opponent REALLY sucks. The only thing I see right is the recapture of Anglo-Egypt.
3. Well, either 2., or you had some kind of gigantic German bid.
Or bad dice.
But yeah, if the US reinforces UK, there’s no chance of taking UK.
Yeah, if USA reinforces, don’t try it. But if the UK looks the same on Germany’s turn, I reckon you’ve got a decent chance at taking it (1 inf, 1 tank, 5 fighters, 1 bomber vs 1 tank, 1 art, 2 inf), just be prepared to lose most of your fighters.
I think the shock factor of losing UK so early generally rocks most intermediate players and he may give up there and then.
