16L G40 Balance Mod - Gamerman (Allies) vs. regularkid (Axis)

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria

Turn Complete - French

triplea_37536_Fre3.tsvg

[regularkid]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 9 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Novgorod
                  Germans take Novgorod from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
                  Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
                  Germans take Ukraine from Russians
            1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                  Germans take Normandy Bordeaux from British
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 armour moved from Romania to Belarus
            2 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Novgorod
            4 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Novgorod
            5 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            6 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            8 artilleries and 17 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Belarus
                Germans attack with 6 armour, 8 artilleries, 24 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Belarus from Russians with 6 armour, 8 artilleries, 23 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from British with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -5
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
            Battle in 115 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Russians defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
                Germans win with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser and 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Poland: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Novgorod: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 bombers moved from 115 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt

Place Units - Germans
            1 tactical_bomber placed in Western Germany
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
            3 infantry placed in France
            6 infantry placed in Western Germany
            Germans undo move 2.
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs

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[regularkid]

G1 pretty much ruined this game

[gamerman01]

I can agree with that, but don’t tell me you blame it all on dice.  Attacking 110 and 111 both is risky

[regularkid]

please edit my two infantry to Romania from Bulgaria.

[gamerman01]

I’ll do it - no problem!

[regularkid]

@Gamerman01:

Attacking 110 and 111 both is risky

Pretty sure that happens in like 95% of games ever played. Wouldn’t really characterize it as risky.

But anyhow, lets not go down this road. play on, bruther, play on.

[gamerman01]

Oh boy.
Well I rarely attack both, and just because 95% of the people you’ve seen have done it doesn’t make it un-risky.  I suppose the British players rarely scramble, too.  I’ll just tell you - with that combat move it was a very easy decision to scramble everything.

I’m trying to bite my tongue because I don’t think you’d like what I would say….

I’m having a blast and I will play on, yes.

[JDOW]

@regularkid:

@Gamerman01:

Attacking 110 and 111 both is risky

Pretty sure that happens in like 95% of games ever played. Wouldn’t really characterize it as risky.

I am afraid I have to second gamerman especially as you made two risky things in addition to just attack both seazones:

1. You greedily attacked 106 with 2 subs instead of taking a second sub to 110. This makes a huge difference in 110 and even gives you +1 attack on 111 because you can send both bombers there.

2. You decided to hunt the damaged battleships with naked air when in both seazones you had playable retreat options.

However it is a valid option to play a greedy G1 in order to hope to get lucky because one might think this is necessary to beat a superior opponent. However not getting lucky is a very substantial part in such strategies :-)

So far I cannot judge how risky the Germans have to be in G1 in balanced mode. Maybe its just the way the game is to go with no bid for the Axis in order to accelerate the pace as an economic win does not work anymore like in the classic mode.

Good luck to both of you in the remaining game!

[regularkid]

@JDOW:

So far I cannot judge how risky the Germans have to be in G1 in balanced mode.

There’s one way to find out. . . start playing!

As for the rest of your post: an astute analysis. I just couldn’t hold in the dice bitterness any longer. I’m better now. Thanks.

[JDOW]

I made one more post while you typed yours and then I promise I won’t bother you any longer and “allow” you to quarrel with the dice because  :wink: - despite any analysis - the definitely wern’t your friend in G1, I just wanted to demonstrate that a suboptimal outcome is something we have to deal very very often with and tend to (including me) consider any suboptimal event a disaster.

So here is some analysis about the actual dice outcome in G1.

And in addition when it comes to the actual dice results:
Average attacker units left in 111 = 2,3 and 2,9 if won
Average attacker units left in 110 = 3,6 and 3,9 if won

You had 4 units left = 2 units below average
However on the other hand you at least won both battles which were 80% and 92% = 26,5% that you lose at least one of these battles.

So the dice were rather slightly below average in the sea battles and not a total disaster.
France was 5 TUV below average and losing 3 hits yugo is also 1 more than it should.
Normandy went perfect and 2v1 battles like 106 are always good when the transport is sunk regardless if the DD hit.

Altogether the dice weren’t good in G1 but definitely not devastating (according to my opinion as those evaluations vary from player to player :-))

[regularkid]

When are you gonna play balance mod game, JDOW? Best way to put the mod through its paces is to have the best players playing it. I think it’s high time for you to take the plunge :wink:

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 artillery, 9 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
            2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Western Ukraine
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Ukraine
                Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Western Ukraine
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Western Ukraine from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            3 infantry moved from Timguska to Kansu
            3 infantry moved from Timguska to Novosibirsk
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Western Ukraine to Russia
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 aaGun moved from Smolensk to Russia
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Russia
            1 armour, 13 artilleries, 20 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 armour moved from Volgograd to Samara
            1 mech_infantry moved from Vologda to Samara
            1 mech_infantry moved from Vologda to Samara
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Vologda to Russia
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
            1 aaGun and 9 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia

Place Units - Russians
            1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Russia
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 33 PUs
            Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 36 PUs
            Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 38 PUs
            Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 40 PUs

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[regularkid]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttatchment attached to Japanese
            1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Japan
            1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Japan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 artillery moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 41 Sea Zone to Shan State
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 41 Sea Zone to Shan State
            1 carrier moved from 41 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Philippines
            1 submarine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 artillery moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Anhwe to 6 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Japan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Suiyuyan
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Chahar
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Suiyuyan
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            1 armour moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            1 artillery moved from Hopei to Kweichow
            1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Hunan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Philippines
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            1 armour moved from Manchuria to Jehol

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Guam
            Battle in Philippines
                Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Guam from Americans, taking Philippines from Americans with 2 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Suiyuyan
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Suiyuyan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Shan State
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 fighters moved from Shan State to 37 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to French Indo China
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to French Indo China
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Suiyuyan to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Philippines to French Indo China

Place Units - Japanese
            1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Manchuria
            1 infantry placed in Manchuria
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Kiangsu

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 61 PUs; end with 61 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs

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[JDOW]

@regularkid:

When are you gonna play balance mod game, JDOW? Best way to put the mod through its paces is to have the best players playing it. I think it’s high time for you to take the plunge :wink:

I will test it soon. However I am still hesitating to start a new thing while playing the league champion. This can quickly get too busy.

[Soulblighter]

@JDOW:

@regularkid:

When are you gonna play balance mod game, JDOW? Best way to put the mod through its paces is to have the best players playing it. I think it’s high time for you to take the plunge :wink:

I will test it soon. However I am still hesitating to start a new thing while playing the league champion. This can quickly get too busy.

Interested in playing a non league game to test the mod? I prefer to test it outside the league and I am guessing you are as well.

[regularkid]

if you guys play, make sure to link me. def want to follow that game :)

[gamerman01]

I might be able to play the move today or tonight - I have a busy work schedule this time of year and I come home exhausted… It will be better in a couple weeks

[regularkid]

np

[gamerman01]

I think I’ll be moving tonight or tomorrow, weekend is finally here