World at War Balladeer vs. captain walker (axis)

[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War, version: 1.1.9

Game History

Round: 7

Combat Move - Americans
            1 Tank moved from Boho to Manila
                  Americans take Mindor from Yamamoto
                  Americans take Manila from Yamamoto
            1 Infantry moved from Azores to sz20
            3 Infantry moved from Azores to sz20
            4 Infantry moved from sz20 to Ortegal
            1 AAGun, 1 B.Transport and 2 Infantry moved from sz22 to sz20
            2 Infantry moved from sz20 to Ortegal
            2 Bombers moved from Wales to Ortegal
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Azores to Ortegal

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 B.Carrier, 1 Factory, 1 L.Fighter, 5 S.Subs, 1 Submarine and 1 Transport; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Ortegal
                Americans attack with 2 Bombers, 1 EarlyFighter and 6 Infantry
                Neutral defend with 1 Artillery, 2 Bunkers and 2 Infantry
                Units damaged: 2 Bunkers owned by the Neutral
                Americans loses 0 PUs for violating Ortegals neutrality.
                Americans win, taking Ortegal from Neutral with 2 Bombers, 1 EarlyFighter and 4 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Artillery, 2 Bunkers and 2 Infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 2 Infantry

Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 Bombers moved from Ortegal to Wales
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Ortegal to Azores
            1 B.Transport, 1 Destroyer and 1 Transport moved from sz18 to sz20
            2 Infantry moved from East U.S to sz30
            1 Elite and 3 Infantry moved from Washington to sz30
            1 B.Transport, 1 Elite, 5 Infantry and 1 Transport moved from sz30 to sz22
            1 Artillery, 2 Infantry and 1 Tank moved from Palau to sz89
            1 Artillery, 1 B.Carrier, 1 B.Transport, 1 Battleship, 1 Destroyer, 2 Infantry, 1 L.Fighter, 1 S.Sub, 1 Submarine and 1 Tank moved from sz89 to sz111
            1 Artillery and 2 Infantry moved from sz111 to Davao
            4 Infantry moved from Phonpei to sz83
            1 B.Transport, 1 Battleship, 1 Destroyer, 4 Infantry and 1 Submarine moved from sz83 to sz111
            4 Infantry moved from sz111 to Davao
            3 EarlyFighters moved from Davao to sz111
            1 Artillery moved from Weno to Puna
            3 L.Fighters moved from Pearl Harbor to sz111
            1 L.Fighter moved from sz111 to Sian
            2 Destroyers and 3 Submarines moved from sz112 to sz83
            2 Destroyers and 1 Submarine moved from sz122 to sz112

Place Units - Americans
            1 B.Carrier, 2 S.Subs and 1 Transport placed in sz111
            1 Factory placed in Phonpei
            2 S.Subs and 1 Submarine placed in sz112
            1 S.Sub placed in sz122
            1 L.Fighter placed in San Fransisco

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 117 PUs; end with 119 PUs total

[captainwalker]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War, version: 1.1.9

Game History

Round: 8

Combat Move - Germans
            1 Elite moved from Koeln to Belgium
            1 Elite moved from Koeln to Netherlands
            1 Stuka moved from Koeln to Netherlands
            1 Stuka moved from Koeln to Belgium
            1 Artillery and 4 Infantry moved from Paris to Lille
            1 Tank moved from Metz to Lille
            1 Elite moved from Koeln to Belgium
            1 Elite moved from Hamburg to Netherlands
            1 Stuka moved from Paris to Metz
            1 Stuka moved from Metz to Belgium
            1 Stuka moved from Muenchen to Netherlands
            1 Elite moved from Lodz to Smolensk
            2 Stukas moved from Lodz to Smolensk
            1 Tank moved from Estorskaya to Novgorod
            1 Bomber moved from Helsinki to Novgorod

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 ArmoredCars, 6 Artillerys, 1 Bunker, 1 EarlyFighter, 4 Elites, 16 Infantry, 1 Stuka and 3 Tanks; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Smolensk
                Germans attack with 1 Elite and 2 Stukas
                Russians defend with 1 Infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 Elite and 2 Stukas in Smolensk, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 Infantry in Smolensk, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Infantry owned by the Russians lost in Smolensk
                Germans win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 1 Elite and 2 Stukas remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Infantry
            Battle in Lille
                Germans attack with 1 Artillery, 4 Infantry and 1 Tank
                British defend with 3 Infantry and 1 Tank; French defend with 1 AAGun
                    Germans roll dice for 1 Artillery, 4 Infantry and 1 Tank in Lille, round 2 :  2/6 hits
                    French roll dice for 3 Infantry and 1 Tank in Lille, round 2 :  0/4 hits
                    2 Infantry owned by the British lost in Lille
                    Germans roll dice for 1 Artillery, 4 Infantry and 1 Tank in Lille, round 3 :  1/6 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 Infantry and 1 Tank in Lille, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    1 Infantry owned by the British lost in Lille
                    Germans roll dice for 1 Artillery, 4 Infantry and 1 Tank in Lille, round 4 :  4/6 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 Tank in Lille, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Tank owned by the British lost in Lille
                Germans win, taking Lille from French with 1 Artillery, 4 Infantry and 1 Tank remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
                Casualties for British: 3 Infantry and 1 Tank
            Battle in Belgium
                Germans attack with 2 Elites and 2 Stukas
                French defend with 1 Artillery
                    Germans roll dice for 2 Elites and 2 Stukas in Belgium, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 Artillery in Belgium, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Artillery owned by the French lost in Belgium
                Germans win, taking Belgium from French with 2 Elites and 2 Stukas remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for French: 1 Artillery
            Battle in Netherlands
                Germans attack with 2 Elites and 2 Stukas
                British defend with 1 Tank
                    Germans roll dice for 2 Elites and 2 Stukas in Netherlands, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 Tank in Netherlands, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Tank owned by the British lost in Netherlands
                Germans win, taking Netherlands from British with 2 Elites and 2 Stukas remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for British: 1 Tank
            Battle in Novgorod
                Germans attack with 1 Bomber and 1 Tank
                Russians defend with 1 Infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 Bomber and 1 Tank in Novgorod, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 Infantry in Novgorod, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod
                Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians with 1 Bomber and 1 Tank remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 Bomber moved from Novgorod to Helsinki
            3 Artillerys and 5 Elites moved from Lodz to Litovskaya
            1 ArmoredCar and 1 HeavyTank moved from Lodz to Litovskaya
            5 Tanks moved from Lodz to Litovskaya
            2 Stukas moved from Smolensk to Lodz
            3 Infantry moved from Warzawa to Lodz
            1 Artillery moved from Warzawa to Lodz
            2 Transports moved from sz17 to sz16
            1 Cruiser moved from sz17 to sz16
            3 Infantry moved from Hamburg to sz16
            2 Infantry moved from Danzig to sz16
            1 Cruiser, 5 Infantry and 2 Transports moved from sz16 to sz17
            5 Infantry moved from sz17 to Estorskaya
            1 Tank moved from Danzig to Litovskaya
            2 Infantry moved from Danzig to Koenigsberg
            1 Artillery and 3 Elites moved from W.Romania to E.Romania
            1 Artillery and 3 Infantry moved from Checheslovakya to Krakow
            2 Infantry moved from Nuernberg to Krakow
            2 ArmoredCars and 1 Tank moved from Nuernberg to Ukrainskaya
            2 Stukas moved from Belgium to Koeln
            2 Stukas moved from Netherlands to Koeln
            1 Infantry moved from Paris to Le Havre
            1 Tank moved from Paris to Le Havre
            1 Infantry moved from Lyon to Versailles
            4 Infantry moved from Hannofer to Hamburg
            2 Mot.Infs moved from Hamburg to Lodz
            1 Tank moved from Berlin to Gdansk
            3 Infantry moved from Berlin to Hannofer
            2 Infantry moved from Muenchen to Koeln
            1 Artillery moved from Le Havre to Versailles
            2 Elites moved from Paris to Versailles

Place Units - Germans
            1 Bunker and 3 Infantry placed in Le Havre
            1 Artillery, 1 EarlyFighter, 2 Elites and 2 Infantry placed in Hamburg
            Germans undo move 2.
            1 Artillery, 1 EarlyFighter, 2 Elites, 1 Infantry and 1 Tank placed in Hamburg
            1 Artillery and 3 Infantry placed in Koeln
            1 Artillery, 2 Elites and 1 Infantry placed in Warzawa
            1 Artillery and 3 Infantry placed in Checheslovakya
            2 Artillerys and 4 Infantry placed in Paris
            2 ArmoredCars, 1 Stuka and 2 Tanks placed in Nuernberg
            1 Infantry placed in Berlin

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 106 PUs; end with 106 PUs total

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 106 / 106
    Russians : 72 / 83
    Italians : 49 / 56
    French : 28 / 30
    Yamamoto : 55 / 61
    Chinese : 24 / 29
    Hisaichi : 63 / 68
    British : 112 / 120
    Finns : 15 / 15
    Anzac : 38 / 38
    Romanians : 26 / 26
    Dutch : 33 / 36
    Thai : 9 / 9
    Americans : 117 / 119

[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War, version: 1.1.9

Game History

Round: 8

Combat Move - Russians
            1 Infantry moved from Ustkut to Irkutsk
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Kotuj to Irkutsk
            1 Tank moved from Tulun to Quingdao
                  Russians take Quingdao from Hisaichi
            1 Tank moved from Quingdao to Irkutsk
            8 Artillerys, 10 Infantry, 1 Mot.Inf and 6 Tanks moved from Tulun to Irkutsk
            1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from Archangelsk to sz9
            1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from sz9 to N.Finnland
            2 Artillerys and 2 Infantry moved from Olonets to Belomorsk
            1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod
            1 Artillery and 3 Infantry moved from Pavlovsk to Odessa
            1 Infantry moved from Rostov to sz52
            1 Infantry moved from sz52 to Krym
                  Russians take Krym from Germans
            1 Fighter moved from Kursk to Odessa
            2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry moved from Kursk to Minsk
            1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from Kursk to Smolensk
            1 Bomber moved from Leningrad to Minsk
            2 Artillerys, 2 Bombers, 1 Fighter and 2 Infantry moved from Leningrad to Estorskaya
            1 Tank moved from Kursk to Novgorod

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 8 Artillerys, 1 Bunker and 24 Infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Irkutsk
                Russians attack with 8 Artillerys, 1 EarlyFighter, 11 Infantry, 1 Mot.Inf and 7 Tanks
                Hisaichi defend with 2 ArmoredCars, 4 Artillerys, 5 Elites, 4 Infantry, 1 Mech.Inf and 5 Tanks
                Russians win, taking Irkutsk from Hisaichi with 1 EarlyFighter and 4 Tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Hisaichi: 2 ArmoredCars, 4 Artillerys, 5 Elites, 4 Infantry, 1 Mech.Inf and 5 Tanks
                Casualties for Russians: 8 Artillerys, 11 Infantry, 1 Mot.Inf and 3 Tanks
            Battle in Novgorod
                Russians attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Infantry and 1 Tank
                Germans defend with 1 Tank
                Russians win, taking Novgorod from Germans with 1 Artillery and 1 Tank remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Tank
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Infantry
            Battle in Minsk
                Russians attack with 2 Artillerys, 1 Bomber and 3 Infantry
                Romanians defend with 1 Artillery, 2 Infantry and 1 Tank
                Russians win, taking Minsk from Romanians with 2 Artillerys, 1 Bomber and 1 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Romanians: 1 Artillery, 2 Infantry and 1 Tank
                Casualties for Russians: 2 Infantry
            Battle in Belomorsk
                Russians attack with 2 Artillerys and 2 Infantry
                Finns defend with 2 Artillerys and 1 Infantry
                1 Artillery retreated to Olonets
                Finns win with 1 Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Finns: 1 Artillery and 1 Infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Artillery and 2 Infantry
            Battle in N.Finnland
                Russians attack with 1 Artillery and 1 Infantry
                Finns defend with 1 Artillery
                Finns win with 1 Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Artillery and 1 Infantry
            Battle in Smolensk
                Russians attack with 1 Artillery and 1 Infantry
                Germans defend with 1 Elite
                Russians win, taking Smolensk from Germans with 1 Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Elite
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Infantry
            Battle in Estorskaya
                Russians attack with 2 Artillerys, 2 Bombers, 1 Fighter and 2 Infantry
                Germans defend with 5 Infantry
                Russians win, taking Estorskaya from Germans with 2 Artillerys, 2 Bombers, 1 Fighter and 2 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
                Casualties for Germans: 5 Infantry
            Battle in Odessa
                Russians attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter and 3 Infantry
                Romanians defend with 1 Artillery and 2 Infantry
                Russians win, taking Odessa from Romanians with 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter and 3 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Romanians: 1 Artillery and 2 Infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 Bombers moved from Estorskaya to Kursk
            1 Bomber moved from Minsk to Kursk
            1 Fighter moved from Odessa to Kursk
            1 Fighter moved from Estorskaya to Leningrad
            1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from Archangelsk to Olonets
            2 Infantry moved from Vologda to Olonets
            8 Infantry moved from Vologda to Kursk
            1 Tank moved from Moscow to Olonets
            1 Artillery and 8 Infantry moved from Moscow to Vologda
            2 Infantry moved from Pavlovsk to Kursk
            1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from Rostov to Pavlovsk
            1 Artillery and 4 Infantry moved from Stalingrad to Pavlovsk
            1 Tank moved from Kazakh to Kaluga
            3 Artillerys and 3 Infantry moved from Kaask to Kotuj
            1 Tank moved from Aleksandrowskoe to Jinquan
            1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from Kansu to Fugong
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Irkutsk to Kotuj

Place Units - Russians
            2 Artillerys, 1 Bunker and 2 Infantry placed in Leningrad
            2 Artillerys and 2 Infantry placed in Archangelsk
            1 Artillery and 2 Infantry placed in Rostov
            1 Artillery and 4 Infantry placed in Stalingrad
            2 Artillerys and 4 Infantry placed in Kaask
            10 Infantry placed in Moscow

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 86 PUs; end with 87 PUs total

[captainwalker]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War, version: 1.1.9

Game History

Round: 8

Combat Move - Italians
            2 Artillerys and 2 Elites moved from Corsica to sz40
            2 Artillerys, 2 Elites and 2 Transports moved from sz40 to sz39
            2 Artillerys and 2 Elites moved from sz39 to Barcelona
            2 EarlyFighters moved from sz40 to Barcelona
            1 Battleship and 1 Cruiser moved from sz40 to sz39
            1 Tank moved from Toulouse to Barcelona

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 Bunker, 1 Fighter, 13 Infantry and 2 Submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Barcelona
                Italians attack with 2 Artillerys, 2 EarlyFighters, 2 Elites and 1 Tank
                Neutral defend with 1 Bunker, 1 EarlyFighter and 1 Infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 Battleship and 1 Cruiser in Barcelona, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                Units damaged: 1 Bunker owned by the Neutral
                    Italians roll dice for 2 Artillerys, 2 EarlyFighters, 2 Elites and 1 Tank in Barcelona, round 2 :  4/7 hits
                    Neutral roll dice for 1 Bunker, 1 EarlyFighter and 1 Infantry in Barcelona, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    1 Infantry owned by the Neutral, 1 EarlyFighter owned by the Neutral, 1 Bunker owned by the Neutral, 1 Artillery owned by the Italians and 1 Elite owned by the Italians lost in Barcelona
                Italians loses 0 PUs for violating Barcelonas neutrality.
                Italians win, taking Barcelona from Neutral with 1 Artillery, 2 EarlyFighters, 1 Elite and 1 Tank remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Bunker, 1 EarlyFighter and 1 Infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 Artillery and 1 Elite

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 Carrier and 2 Destroyers moved from sz40 to sz39
            1 Infantry moved from Toulouse to Marseille
            1 Artillery moved from Bordeaux to Toulouse
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Barcelona to Marseille
            1 Transport moved from sz40 to sz39
            1 Transport moved from sz40 to sz39
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Barcelona to sz39
            2 Infantry moved from Alger to Tunesia
            1 Infantry moved from Tunis to C.Tunesia

Place Units - Italians
            1 Bunker and 4 Infantry placed in Tunis
            1 Fighter and 2 Submarines placed in sz39
            1 Infantry placed in Marseille
            5 Infantry placed in Genova
            3 Infantry placed in Roma

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs total

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 99 / 106
    Russians : 86 / 87
    Italians : 51 / 51
    French : 28 / 30
    Yamamoto : 55 / 61
    Chinese : 24 / 29
    Hisaichi : 61 / 68
    British : 112 / 120
    Finns : 15 / 15
    Anzac : 38 / 38
    Romanians : 21 / 26
    Dutch : 33 / 36
    Thai : 9 / 9
    Americans : 117 / 119

[captainwalker]

I believe it’s France’s turn in our team game…will you be going for the kill on Austria?

[captainwalker]

When this game ends would you be interested in playing a game of TRS?
I’m currently playing my first game of that and getting my ass kicked, but it looks like a pretty cool map.

[Balladeer]

@captain:

I believe it’s France’s turn in our team game…will you be going for the kill on Austria?

It is indeed Frances turn and I will be going for the kill on Aus, got 77%… Just some last minute finetuning with my team :)

[Balladeer]

@captain:

When this game ends would you be interested in playing a game of TRS?
I’m currently playing my first game of that and getting my ass kicked, but it looks like a pretty cool map.

Sure, I’m playing my first game on the map too and it looks to me as if I’m doing OK, but that might be beginners luck ;-)

[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War, version: 1.1.9

Game History

Round: 8

Combat Move - French
            2 ArmoredCars moved from Syria to S.Turkey
            1 ArmoredCar, 3 Artillerys and 1 Tank moved from Iran to S.Turkey
            1 Artillery and 1 Elite moved from C.Alger to Tunesia
            1 EarlyFighter and 1 Fighter moved from Morocco to Tunesia
            1 ArmoredCar moved from C.Alger to Alger
            1 Fighter moved from Morocco to Alger
            1 Submarine moved from sz43 to sz40

Purchase Units - French
            French buy 4 ArmoredCars, 3 Infantry and 2 Tanks; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - French
            Battle in sz40
                French attack with 1 Submarine
                Italians defend with 1 Transport
                French win with 1 Submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Italians: 1 Transport
            Battle in Alger
                French attack with 1 ArmoredCar and 1 Fighter
                Italians defend with 1 Infantry
                French win, taking Alger from Italians with 1 ArmoredCar and 1 Fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Italians: 1 Infantry
            Battle in Tunesia
                French attack with 1 Artillery, 1 EarlyFighter, 1 Elite and 1 Fighter
                Italians defend with 2 Infantry
                French win, taking Tunesia from Italians with 1 EarlyFighter, 1 Elite and 1 Fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Italians: 2 Infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 Artillery
            Battle in S.Turkey
                French attack with 3 ArmoredCars, 3 Artillerys and 1 Tank
                Neutral defend with 1 Artillery and 2 Infantry
                French loses 0 PUs for violating S.Turkeys neutrality.
                French win, taking S.Turkey from Neutral with 3 ArmoredCars, 1 Artillery and 1 Tank remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Artillery and 2 Infantry
                Casualties for French: 2 Artillerys

Non Combat Move - French
            1 Infantry moved from E.Lybia to Lybia
            1 Infantry moved from N.Egypt to E.Lybia
            1 Fighter moved from Alger to Morocco
            1 EarlyFighter and 1 Fighter moved from Tunesia to Morocco
            4 Tanks moved from Morocco to C.Alger
            1 Transport moved from sz2 to sz1
            1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from Coral Harbour to sz1
            1 Artillery, 1 Infantry and 1 Transport moved from sz1 to sz2
            1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from sz2 to Greenland
            1 Transport moved from sz18 to sz20

Place Units - French
            3 Infantry placed in Iran
            2 ArmoredCars placed in Syria
            2 ArmoredCars and 2 Tanks placed in Morocco

Turn Complete - French
            French collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs total

[captainwalker]

I’m giving up on this game…Japan and Italy have been crippled.
Well played!
I’ll start a game of TRS for us later today…let me know if you have a preference for sides.

[Balladeer]

@captain:

I’m giving up on this game…Japan and Italy have been crippled.
Well played!
I’ll start a game of TRS for us later today…let me know if you have a preference for sides.

I’m currently playing axis against dawg, so I’d prefer to practice axis :)

[Balladeer]

@Balladeer:

@captain:

I’m giving up on this game…Japan and Italy have been crippled.
Well played!
I’ll start a game of TRS for us later today…let me know if you have a preference for sides.

I’m currently playing axis against dawg, so I’d prefer to practice axis :)

Er, I’m playing allies, so I’d prefer axis :)

[captainwalker]

ok…you can set up the game and do your opening move then. Let me know when everything is ready!
good luck!

[Balladeer]

Allright, game is up. However, I lost Pearl Harbour with 2 BC remaining, so the game is not great for practice. If it were tournament I’d play on off course, but if we want to learn from it, having bad dice like this might not be the best way… Mind if I restart it? You’ll roll over me in turn 4 like this…

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=37259.new#new