16L G40 Balladeer (Allies + 20) vs Alex

[lexgreat]

meh. My relationship with the Brits is really complicated, wheter I play them or against them. They hit well, and wise of you not to scramble.

[Balladeer]

Myeah this result is why I always go 2 subs Sz 106. Indeed glad I didn’t scramble :)

[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 artilleries, 7 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied

Combat Move - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            6 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
            2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Sikang
            2 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Russia
            2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belarus
            2 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            2 aaGuns moved from Russia to Bryansk

Place Units - Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
            3 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

[lexgreat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 factory_minor and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
                  Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Formosa to Hunan
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Hunan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Hunan
                Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Hunan, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Hunan, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in Hunan
                Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 4 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 :  5/7 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 4 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Okinawa to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Korea to 36 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Kwangsi
            1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
            1 cruiser and 2 destroyers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwe
            1 aaGun and 6 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            4 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
            2 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 armour moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            1 factory_minor placed in Manchuria
            2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 40 PUs

[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 51 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to Wake Island
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to Wake Island
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to Guam
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to Western United States

Place Units - Americans
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total

[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
            1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
            3 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi

Place Units - Chinese
            4 infantry placed in Shensi

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 15 PUs

[Balladeer]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 110 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to Tobruk
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Ethiopia

[Balladeer]

Scramble Sz 97?

[lexgreat]

Scramble 1 Ita fig and the German tac, pls.

[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 4 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 110 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to Tobruk
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Ethiopia

Combat - British
            Italians scrambles 2 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 97 Sea Zone
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 transport
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Germans defend with 1 battleship
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Ethiopia
                British attack with 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                British win, taking Ethiopia from Italians with 2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Tobruk
                British attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Italians defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                British win, taking Tobruk from Italians with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for British: 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 submarine
                Germans defend with 1 tactical_bomber; Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 transport
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 46
                Casualties for Germans: 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 transport

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Burma to India
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to Eire
                  British take Eire from Neutral_Allies

Place Units - British
            1 destroyer placed in 106 Sea Zone
            3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 factory_minor placed in Egypt

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 29 PUs; end with 30 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            4 mech_infantrys placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 18 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 4 mech_infantrys

[lexgreat]

did you one shot me in 97, or were my defenses again underwhelming?

[Balladeer]

Ehm, you had 1 HP left on the BC, but that missed it’s 2nd shot ;-)

[lexgreat]

I just saw. Your threes hit nicely and above average overall. Nothing really crazy happenend, but over 3 active games now I realy would like to have a break, a nice and consequential result somewhere. Only horrific losses or paying wins with a lot of blood in the more important (naval) battles.

Now, of course my dice follow statistics overall, no believing in other things. In my experience, dice just go well over longer periods, then go bad again for a time. Its rare that games feel balanced throughout, just some games (or large parts of it) very well, others really bad. And even that is likely a skewed and subjective view. But its enough to make or break games, especially when it happens early, one way or another. Apart from huge naval battles later on, or Moscow, those are more volatile, oc, with so many dice thrown.

[lexgreat]

hm, considering Italys options. I wonder what you would do.

[Balladeer]

Yes I’ve played poker for a long time and it seems the same way with cards, very long streaks of good cards and then very long streaks of bad cards, with some average looking streaks in between. Human minds aren’t made to cope with that, be it dice or cards…

[Balladeer]

@alexgreat:

hm, considering Italys options. I wonder what you would do.

Panic :)

[lexgreat]

@Balladeer:

@alexgreat:

hm, considering Italys options. I wonder what you would do.

Panic :)

My guess was on “resign” for an answer, but I wasnt that far off :)

[lexgreat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Italians attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 3 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 :  1/6 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                    Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 artilleries in Yugoslavia, round 3 :  1/4 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia
                    Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 artilleries in Yugoslavia, round 4 :  2/4 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Tunisia
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Tunisia
                Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 cruiser in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians, 1 cruiser owned by the British, 1 submarine owned by the Italians and 1 cruiser owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  2/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Italians and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                retreated to 97 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 carrier remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            4 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs total

[lexgreat]

yet another great alpha strike and the appropriate answer in 97.

My casualty selection for you may have been wrong, I took the figs because if you would have damaged the AC I would have stopped the attack. Pls have it anyway you want it.

[Balladeer]

@alexgreat:

yet another great alpha strike and the appropriate answer in 97.

My casualty selection for you may have been wrong, I took the figs because if you would have damaged the AC I would have stopped the attack. Pls have it anyway you want it.

You’re pretty much saying: if you want nothing in Sz 97 instead of an AC, that’s allright too? ;-)