@Baron:
@Argothair:
I’ve never really understood the rigid thinking around a Canadian minor power for G40. Baron’s viewpoint – that you need a way to get Canada’s income up into the double digits, and you need a way to precisely compensate the UK for the territories that they’re “losing” to Canada are very popular, but they don’t ring true for me.
Creating an independent Canada does drain some income from the UK, but that also means less income for Germany to steal during a successful Sea Lion, more Allied opportunities for can openers around Denmark and Gibraltar, more opportunities to land fighters in Normandy during D-Day, and (if there are any Canadian NOs at all) a higher total British income. I tend to think that those advantages collectively outweigh the inconvenience of reducing how much British income can be spent at a minor factory in Bombay or Iraq.
I would say that giving around 10 IPCs to create a minor country is about making this power something interesting to purchase and make something to do, based on ANZAC and Italy.
Maybe on mid-end game it can better coordinate with UK and US, but probably UK will miss these 7 IPCs in Egypt. I can not say.
However, for me it remains very theoretical. I still believe Canada needs at least 10 IPCs to be fun to play.
@simon33:
@Argothair:
I’ve never really understood the rigid thinking around a Canadian minor power for G40.
For me it comes largely from the illogic of a sea lion also taking Canada as an active allied power.
British Columbia should have 2IPC income so you could put an IC on the Pacific coast BTW.
@General:
I can’t speak to historical accuracy but adding two Canadian infantry to London would mitigate at least a little the UK’s diminished first turn purchasing power for a Sea Lion defense. Unlike France, Canada could put those infantry to use later on with no need for an Allied transport piggyback.
Adding a Canadian fighter in the proposed Newfoundland air base would help mop up German subs (if the destroyer survived) and make it’s way to London.
It might be more interesting to increase action for Canada in PTO, if both Yukon and Western Canada rise to 2 IPCs.
That will make for more interesting target for Japan. And it instantly rise Canada from 7 IPCs to 10 IPCs with no additional bonus from NOs.
Having 6 IPCs on right corner of PTO map, 2 VCs, and a few US NO to cut down and maybe Canada too, might increase action radically there.
And, as CWO Marc suggested, it may be easier to make Canada and ANZAC together as a proof of concept.
No need to create a new power, but only a few change on allegiance.
Even South Africa can be added as part of this commonwealth dominions.
They will all use the ANZAC units, so it can be a start to see how it impact every thing.
Another reason is about playing time, the more powers with all different phases, it takes longer to decide and move.
Also, from a tabletop play, you have ANZAC sculpts to play with.
This minor power would get a more significant income.
I read once that YG said South Africa not being UK is an issue against Italy in Egypt.
Maybe, just start with ANZAC and Canada.
Building a minor IC on set-up in Western Canada make it workable in PTO from two points of the map.
@CWO:
@Black_Elk:
Separate economy would be more convenient FtF, since it doesn’t require new pieces, just roundels for income tracking. But the whole ‘one nation two economies’ thing is something I’ve never much liked OOB. It strikes me as a holdover from the 2 separate games = 1 bigger game design approach. I think it would also make ANZAC feel even more out of place, as the only Commonwealth territories to get a full representation.
For a similar turn order you could put Canada with Anzac to close out the round, so that slot is more meaningful. But I actually really dislike the OOB turn order. I think it is highly awkward given the way A&A is usually played, and is unnecessarily drawn out. So I see no reason to we can’t try something new here.
If fully redesigning the sequence, I’d try to block the turns so it’s more entertaining live, or more streamlined in the pbem exchange. I believe a new turn order requires a full xml mod with separate file (not something you can just toggle with a tech add right now). But I still like the idea of Canadian materials in the standard package, to make that a little easier. I’d consider breaking up the Anglo-American turn, which is currently the most involved. I think a sequence with the following blocks would be ideal…
GER
RUS, FRA, USA, CHN
JPN
UKE, CAN, UKP, ANZ
ITA
Here’s a thought. If the ‘one nation two economies’ thing is something you dislike about the OOB rules, and if you’re thinking about detaching Canada from the UK player-wise and putting it close to ANZAC in the play order, have you considered the alternate possibility of bundling Canada, ANZAC (which itself represents a combination of two different countries, Australia and New Zealand) and possibly South Africa into a single player power, the Commonwealth Dominions? Newfoundland could even be added to this composite power, and a further extension of the idea might be to include Eire if this pro-Allies country gets pulled into the war. All six of these entities had Dominion status within the British Commonwealth (though technically Newfoundland wasn’t self-governing, since it had given up that status at its own request during the Depression).
Even NFL and Labrador might receive 1 IPC to increase Commonwealth Dominions (Canada-ANZAC) income.
Someone named it CANZAC.
I believe it is achievable in less time and gives a start to see if Canada has something interesting to do before cutting it loose all by itself.
And also, in PTO, it would be easier to coordinate Canada’s fleet with ANZAC’s fleet if needed.
Edit: actual Triple A G40 map is not similar to tabletop.
Western Canada includes Yukon, from first edition.
So, should it be similar to boardgame map or not?
Here is NOs for CANZAC, from YG Halifax rules
Commonwealth:
5 IPCs if the Commonwealth controls all their original territories
5 IPCs if the Allies (not including Dutch) control Borneo, Sumatra, Java, and Celebes
5 IPCs if the Commonwealth has at least 1 land unit on an original German territory
