Global 1940 Wittman and Private Panic vs Credulous and Elrood

[Private-Panic]

Are you still married Leo?

I hope that Maddy had a wonderful day and there were no hissy-fits from any of the little terrors?

[Witt]

Maddy has been so good today. Has been a pleasure spending the day with her.
She is completing the Friends Amusement Park Lego set.
I am tired; I think because I have a rotten cold.

Italy had a good turn . I do have Seb’s blasted Battkeship off Gib though . Silly man. Why bring it in my Sea!

[Credulous]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
                  ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 aaGun moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 aaGun moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 13 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 16 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 19 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 22 PUs

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[Credulous]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Politics - French
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Algeria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 cruiser placed in 93 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Tunisia
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Morocco
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 destroyer placed in 93 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in French West Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 artillery placed in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Algeria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Algeria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Madagascar
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove: has removed 1 cruiser owned by French in 93 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Tunisia
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Tunisia
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Morocco
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Guiana
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Central Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove: has removed 1 destroyer owned by French in 93 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in French West Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French West Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Morocco
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove: has removed 1 artillery owned by French in Southern France

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

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[Witt]

I really cannot see the merits to a J1 DOW. Looks like arse, to me.

[Private-Panic]

Perhaps. The next couple of turns will tell us for sure. Here are some current thoughts for debate though:

Pros

• minimise UK Pacific income sooner
• take out UK BB
• take out US DD, sub and (if Philippines - where I had 81% odds with just the one TT - successful) Fig
• J loses 10 ipc income, but gains conquest income sooner - or at least that is the plan!

Cons

• US enters war against G & It, so they need to be happy
• US gains significant NO income earlier
• Not doing the alternative of perhaps using J1, 2 & poss 3 to go at R and accept the Mongolian defense pact implications.

What else?

If I had taken Philippines would you feel the same way?

I am currently leaning towards trying a J1, 2 & poss 3 go at R next time instead. It always feels daft not to target R because of a measly 6 Mongolian inf.

[Elrood]

I think axis in BM should both early DoW… else the IPC advantage will be too big because of all the additional NOs for allies

[Private-Panic]

So I would be interesting in hearing Leo’s thoughts against a J1 DoW?

[Witt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 10 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 carrier; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War
            Trigger Vichy France Has Occurred: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to French

Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 91 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans win with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
            1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
            1 artillery moved from France to Holland Belgium
            6 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from France to Germany
            1 bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 111 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier placed in 110 Sea Zone
            1 bomber placed in Western Germany
            10 artilleries placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 39 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 44 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 factory_minor
    Western Germany : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 2 bombers, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 1 tactical_bomber
    Romania : 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 11 infantry
    Poland : 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 12 infantry
    Germany : 6 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Holland Belgium : 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
    Southern Italy : 1 fighter
    106 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 submarine
    Bulgaria : 1 flag
    109 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 submarines
    Finland : 1 flag, 9 infantry
    110 Sea Zone : 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 39 / 49
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 33 / 41
    Americans : 52 / 80
    Chinese : 10 / 13
    British : 26 / 29
    UK_Pacific : 14 / 16
    Italians : 16 / 16
    ANZAC : 10 / 22
    French : 2 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 11 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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[Witt]

@Private:

So I would be interesting in hearing Leo’s thoughts against a J1 DoW?

All the reasons you gave, actually.
I want to be in position and be in control of the Allies’ NOs; I think I can do that by delaying. I have always liked making those pesky Americans, with their largesse of  income, waiting.

[Private-Panic]

Let’s see what happens then Leo - for me the jury is still out

[Witt]

I am judge and jury: J1 is arse!

[Elrood]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 artilleries, 7 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to Unprovoked
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied

Combat Move - Russians
            Trigger Russians Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttatchment attached to Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kazakhstan to Szechwan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Szechwan
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Sikang
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Russia
            2 aaGuns moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            3 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            6 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Belarus
            3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
            2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.

Place Units - Russians
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
            2 artilleries placed in Ukraine
            6 infantry placed in Russia
            1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Russia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Novgorod: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Western Ukraine: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Bessarabia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

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[Elrood]

Sovjets enter the fray!  :-)

[Witt]

You DW on Japan? You back stabbing b*****d! I hope you die horribly, horribly.

[Elrood]

Well, couldn’t DoW on Germany!  :-P

We will win in Pacific because of the benefits of our combined arms and superior strategy, while we will win in Germany with the help of you incompetence!  :evil:

[Elrood]

Adam?
Wakey wakey - invasion feels a little shakey!  :roll:

Giddy up and roooooooll!  :-D

[Elrood]

To further the current topic:

Sure… attacking in first turn (both for Germany and Japan) seems weak, as most units are simply not in the proper position.

But Allies are really weak in first turn and had no time to react at all yet. I also tend to postpone DoWs until it all looks perfect, but that gives Allies also time to brace to the impact of the assault. That should not be disregarded.

Lets see how pacific looks in Jap3 or Jap4, then we can have another argument about it. But sure Uk feels very much stretched with fighting all 3 Axis powers from Turn 1.

[Credulous]

@Elrood:

Sovjets enter the fray!  :-)

Is that like a basketball team or something?

[Elrood]

@Credulous:

Is that like a basketball team or something?

Ice Hockey!  :-D