Global 1940 Wittman and Private Panic vs Credulous and Elrood

[Elrood]

I made these edits. But I put the Sub to SZ113 instead of 112, as its not possible to pass the danish strait for russians…

[Witt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 harbour, 3 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
                  Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 bombers, 6 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
                  Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
            1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 6 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 bombers, 6 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 armour moved from Korea to Jehol
            1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Siam to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Siam to 37 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 23 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 fighter moved from Japan to Caroline Islands

Place Units - Japanese
            1 harbour placed in Kwangsi
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Japan
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 33 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 33 PUs; end with 35 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 45 PUs

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 2 fighters, 1 harbour and 4 infantry
    Iwo Jima : 1 infantry
    Paulau Island : 1 infantry
    Shantung : 1 flag
    Kwangsi : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 6 fighters, 1 harbour, 3 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
    Kiangsu : 1 flag
    Kiangsi : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Japan : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Jehol : 1 flag, 1 armour and 4 infantry
    Okinawa : 1 infantry
    Manchuria : 1 flag
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Suiyuyan : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Kweichow : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Hunan : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Hopei : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Chahar : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Anhwe : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    33 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
    36 Sea Zone : 1 artillery, 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 3 infantry, 1 submarine, 2 tactical_bombers and 4 transports
    6 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 2 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 41 / 51
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 33 / 45
    Americans : 52 / 53
    Chinese : 5 / 12
    British : 25 / 34
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 15 / 15
    ANZAC : 10 / 13
    French : 1 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 14 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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[Private-Panic]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Guam to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total

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[Private-Panic]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Suiyuyan
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Suiyuyan

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Suiyuyan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                retreated to Suiyuyan
                Japanese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            10 infantry moved from Shensi to Kansu
            1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Kansu

Place Units - Chinese
            4 infantry placed in Kansu

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 5 PUs total

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[Witt]

Unlucky Adam.
Are you sure you want 2 Air and not another Carrier for the Pacific? I will tear you another hole, if you are not careful.

[Private-Panic]

No I am not sure Leo! These are hard choices! Japan is getting an easy ride!

[Witt]

I prefer a hard ride. An easy ride is for girls.
Mark said he thought his side was in labour.
You having a good day?

[Credulous]

I can’t believe how the dice are panning out in this game. As it we weren’t up against it enough through taking on the seasoned pros!

[Witt]

Has been excessively bad for you; SZ97 was the worst reverse I have ever seen.

[Elrood]

It was a battle that I would not haven taken in this situation. I dont know if you used Battle Calculator, but in this case it would show you a wrong number… as you had the AC in the combat which should not be used as casualty, else you would not be able to land the 2 fighters from London…

So you would have to take it out, bringing the battle to a mere 50% … and that can swing heavy in either direction.

Sure Axis were excessively lucky in that battle which was forced on them, but if the cheapest casualty you can choose is a 10 IPC fighter, you should make sure you can survive such bad luck.

Even at average rolls the losses for UK would have been profound. Even if Uk had survived with an AC and 2 planes, then still Italy could haven taken deadly revenge suddenly no more allied forces in MED…

It was mistake to choose that battle. The dice are not the ones to blame here.  :|

[Witt]

I always did Taranto, before the bid addition.

[Elrood]

@wittmann:

I always did Taranto, before the bid addition.

But this was taranto against an additional tactical in rome and missing a DD from SZ98. (Since it had to be used against SZ95, because the Cruise at SZ91 got sunk).

So Germany did a LOT to discourage a Taranto move I daresay. If Allies still go for it… Then they must be able to take the blame…

Not like… I dont know… what comes to mind… Nigal Farage or Boris Johnson pulling UK into the dirt and then saying: “Good bye and good luck with all that!”  :evil:

[Witt]

I forgot you sank the Cruiser, you evil man! One fewer unit does make a difference. I blame Adam; he should have noticed and persuaded you against it, Cred.

Nigel has done the right thing; we are out and he has no purpose now. Also, he is despised by more that half the populace. I like how Teresa is talking, in her bid for the leadership.

[Private-Panic]

@wittmann:

I prefer a hard ride. An easy ride is for girls.
Mark said he thought his side was in labour.
You having a good day?

I have heard you are an easy ride :-P

I am having a good day thanks! You?

Please do blame me for Taranto and anything else you wish. Global warming? ISIS? Yesterday’s weather? Happy to take the blame! :-D

[Elrood]

@Private:

Please do blame me for Taranto and anything else you wish. Global warming? ISIS? Yesterday’s weather? Happy to take the blame! :-D

I knew it!!!  8-)

[Private-Panic]

So I have now looked at that Taranto attack and think Seb and Leo are being wise after the event. How very dare you! :-P

Mark had an 8 vs 6 HP, 20 vs 18 power advantage = 86% vs 11% chance. Whether or not you would have made the attack does not negate the awful luck he had. Unless those UK fighters lead to avoiding early hits on the AC? If so they will have contributed to the defeat. They should have been committed to the battle only if prepared to lose them into the sea.

Fighters from the UK are not usually a feature of Taranto in my limited experience and I am not sure why the loss of one cruiser necessitated 2 UK fighters. One fighter would have given the more typical 60% ish odds for the UK (am I right? - that is from memory). Taranto is always a risk. Then only 1 fighter would have been lost into the sea.

Did

[Elrood]

I checked a few Tournament Games Nerquen and I had. Always a UK Sub was placed as a bid into SZ98. Further increasing the chances of a successful Taranto for Britain, but not one opponent went for it…

It is way to risky at the given stage of the game… The first turns are the ones where Axis have all this potential and can strike in any direction, while Allies need to bolster their defenses and build up armies of their own.

[Private-Panic]

Certainly one lesson I have learned is not to chase the game as the allies, at least until the axis have eroded your initial ipc advantage.

[Private-Panic]

I have been taught by “The Master” aka wittmann. And as he said a few posts ago:

@wittmann:

I always did Taranto, before the bid addition.

Next game as allies I’ll see ……

[Witt]

I would still have done the attack. Seb is a cautious German. I am an aggressive Italian. And, since Medieval times, the Med has always been English!