I thought Russian sub could submerge?
You can edit the sub back to sz 7 if you wish. One of my uboats hit, so I took the first casualty on your russian sub, so your battleship could get better odds on a taking out a fighter if one of mine missed on D. Its the order of loss I usually choose in that battle. But the sub can submerge.
If your prefer to submerge, would you like do the same if I attack pearl with Japan?
Feel free to make the red sub edit before you play on. The battleship was destroyed by two hits from the air anyway in the first round of combat so it wouldn’t change the result, but I only attacked with 2 fighters and the subs (so I tried to give you better odds in the first round of combat defense). In the future if subs want to dive just let me know, or if you forget a non combat move and want to edit something minor that doesn’t effect the combat phase just go for it. I think its a casual tournament.
:)
Eager to see how UK will open. Have fun man
Best Elk
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Germans
2 submarines moved from 9 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Norway to 7 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Northwestern Europe to 7 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Italy to 15 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 15 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 14 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Algeria to Libya
1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia S.S.R.
Germans take Karelia S.S.R. from Russians
2 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
Germans take Caucasus from Russians
1 fighter moved from Poland to 14 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Germany to 17 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Germany to 14 Sea Zone
2 submarines moved from 5 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone
Combat - Germans
Battle in 17 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 1 bomber
British defend with 1 destroyer
Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
Battle in 14 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 1 battleship, 2 fighters and 1 transport
British defend with 1 cruiser
Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
Germans win with 1 battleship, 2 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
Battle in Gibraltar
Battle in 7 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 2 fighters and 2 submarines
British defend with 1 battleship and 1 transport; Russians defend with 1 submarine
Germans win, taking Gibraltar from British with 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27
Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 transport
Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
Battle in 10 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 2 submarines
British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
Germans win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
Non Combat Move - Germans
2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
1 fighter moved from 14 Sea Zone to Libya
1 fighter moved from 14 Sea Zone to France
1 fighter moved from Bulgaria Romania to Libya
1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Libya
1 bomber moved from 17 Sea Zone to Libya
2 fighters moved from 7 Sea Zone to Finland
1 infantry moved from Northwestern Europe to France
3 infantry moved from Germany to Baltic States
2 infantry moved from Bulgaria Romania to Poland
1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Baltic States
1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Poland
1 artillery moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Poland
1 armour moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Baltic States
1 armour moved from Bulgaria Romania to Poland
1 armour moved from Germany to Baltic States
1 armour moved from Germany to Poland
1 armour moved from Northwestern Europe to Baltic States
1 armour moved from France to Baltic States
1 armour moved from France to Poland
1 armour moved from Italy to Poland
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern Europe to Bulgaria Romania
1 aaGun moved from Italy to France
1 aaGun moved from Germany to France
Place Units - Germans
1 destroyer placed in 15 Sea Zone
1 bomber and 7 infantry placed in Germany
Turn Complete - Germans
Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
1 unit repaired.
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to 7 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Here is a save with the Red October sub, returned to sz 7.
Apologies for the order of loss confusion. I was eager to play so I just went with my own default OOL in sz7. Had the sub dived I’d have only needed 2 hits to take out the battleship, as it happened we roll 3. But never know until after the sub Q since the dive/or remain for surprise strike, so in my group people usually kill the sub to try and get another hit off the BB. In this save, the Red October fights on.
Cool with me. :)
Catch you next round
I don’t have work till like 2 pm tomorrow so I could get it back to USA, if you’re around tonight and game to play out UK. I’m on west coast time, San Francisco, so this is my usual time slot. :)
After you finish up with UK, just let me know how you’d like me to handle sz 53. And then I’ll fire off Japan.
Usually I will stay and fight with the Red October in sz 7, but dive with the US sub in sz 53 if pearl is attacked. So that was my default OOL. But if you like something different just give me a heads up.
I don’t have work till like 2 pm tomorrow so I could get it back to USA, if you’re around tonight and game to play out UK. I’m on west coast time, San Francisco, so this is my usual time slot. :)
After you finish up with UK, just let me know how you’d like me to handle sz 53. And then I’ll fire off Japan.
Usually I will stay and fight with the Red October in sz 7, but dive with the US sub in sz 53 if pearl is attacked. So that was my default OOL. But if you like something different just give me a heads up.
Thank you for the information. In terms of the sub, I prefer to make a decision after I see the combat move. Then I can run the calculator and decide whether I should submerge it or not. I think that’s how most players do it here as far as I know. I will the UK turn very soon. Have fun, man.
TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - British
British buy 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;
Combat Move - British
1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 8 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from India to 35 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Burma to 36 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 47 Sea Zone to Borneo
2 infantry moved from Eastern Australia to 39 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 49 Sea Zone to New Guinea
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - British
British buy 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;
Combat Move - British
1 cruiser and 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from India to 35 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 47 Sea Zone to Borneo
2 infantry moved from Eastern Australia to 39 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 49 Sea Zone to New Guinea
1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 8 Sea Zone
Combat - British
Battle in 61 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
Battle in New Guinea
British attack with 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
British win, taking New Guinea from Japanese with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
Battle in 8 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 bomber and 2 fighters
Germans defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
British win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
Casualties for Germans: 1 cruiser and 1 transport
Casualties for British: 1 fighter
Battle in Borneo
British attack with 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
British win, taking Borneo from Japanese with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - British
1 infantry moved from Burma to India
1 infantry moved from Persia to India
1 fighter moved from 61 Sea Zone to Szechwan
1 armour moved from Egypt to Persia
1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Persia
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
1 fighter moved from Egypt to Persia
1 bomber moved from 8 Sea Zone to Russia
1 infantry moved from Western Canada to Eastern Canada
1 fighter moved from 8 Sea Zone to French West Africa
1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from India to Persia
1 aaGun moved from India to Persia
Place Units - British
2 fighters placed in United Kingdom
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in India
Turn Complete - British
British collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs total
Got lucky on those money islands.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - British
British buy 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;
Combat Move - British
1 cruiser and 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from India to 35 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 47 Sea Zone to Borneo
2 infantry moved from Eastern Australia to 39 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 49 Sea Zone to New Guinea
1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 8 Sea Zone
Combat - British
Battle in 61 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
Battle in New Guinea
British attack with 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
British win, taking New Guinea from Japanese with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
Battle in 8 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 bomber and 2 fighters
Germans defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
British win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
Casualties for Germans: 1 cruiser and 1 transport
Casualties for British: 1 fighter
Battle in Borneo
British attack with 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
British win, taking Borneo from Japanese with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - British
1 infantry moved from Burma to India
1 infantry moved from Persia to India
1 fighter moved from 61 Sea Zone to Szechwan
1 armour moved from Egypt to Persia
1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Persia
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
1 fighter moved from Egypt to Persia
1 bomber moved from 8 Sea Zone to Russia
1 infantry moved from Western Canada to Eastern Canada
1 fighter moved from 8 Sea Zone to French West Africa
1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from India to Persia
1 aaGun moved from India to Persia
Place Units - British
2 fighters placed in United Kingdom
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in India
Turn Complete - British
British collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs total
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Persia: 1 aaGun
EDIT: Adding units owned by British to India: 1 aaGun
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Japanese
Japanese buy 1 factory and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;
Combat Move - Japanese
1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
1 cruiser and 1 fighter moved from 50 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Japan to 53 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 60 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 47 Sea Zone to Borneo
1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buryatia S.S.R.
Japanese take Buryatia S.S.R. from Russians
2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwei
1 infantry moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Burma
Japanese take Burma from British
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Yunnan
1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwei
3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kwangtung
1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Anhwei
1 fighter moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Yunnan
1 destroyer moved from 60 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 60 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Kwangtung to Anhwei
1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan
1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Yunnan
OK, it just takes a lot longer if I have to wait for your OOL in each exchange. The sz 53 battle is always the same…
Japan= 1 sub, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 1 bomber vs
USA= 1 sub, 1 destroyer, 1 carrier, 1 fighter
First hit is always assigned to the Japanese fighter that moved 4 spaces, so the carrier is free to move somewhere else on Non Combat (unless both Japanese fighters survive), in this case the carrier in sz 50 will move either to sz 61 or sz 60. Surviving Japanese aircraft always land at Wake.
Japanese attacker wins 90% if sub remains, 98% if it dives.
I don’t run the calculator in game myself, i have the openings memorized, but you’re welcome to do so if you wish.
Here is my combat move and purchase if it helps you to make a decision. I would suggest that you dive. Its a stronger play
;)
I bought a factory, in case you’re wondering it will will go in East Indies. Because I don’t like seeing those islands in the wrong hands heheh.
See save above, please let me know how you’d like to handle sz 53.
Submerge please.
Sounds good. Nice hit on Borneo by the way, with good bomber positioning and sneaky sub dive. ;) That one gave me some headaches. Good way to keep my fighters from stacking Kwangtung. I’ll have to leave some to defend the carrier decks now.
This is the pearl opening discussed in the 1942.2 section, by Marine Iguana and others. It usually works. Basically the only scenario under which it can backfire, is if Japan sweeps sz 53 and takes no hit on their Japan fighter. In that case Japan is required to move their carrier to sz 53 (which obviously sucks for them.) But statistically the USA 1 destroyer, 1 carrier, 1 fighter wills core at least 1 hit, which Japan takes on the fighter. Then they don’t have to move their carrier, and can send it to sz 61, or in this case sz 62 to protect the transports I bought
;)
Anyway, nice UK opener there. Always fun to see some bold UK play in the Pacific. I will roll Japan now.
Catch you in a few dude
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Japanese
Japanese buy 1 factory and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;
Combat Move - Japanese
1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
1 cruiser and 1 fighter moved from 50 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Japan to 53 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 60 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 47 Sea Zone to Borneo
1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buryatia S.S.R.
Japanese take Buryatia S.S.R. from Russians
2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwei
1 infantry moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Burma
Japanese take Burma from British
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Yunnan
1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwei
3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kwangtung
1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Anhwei
1 fighter moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Yunnan
1 destroyer moved from 60 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 60 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Kwangtung to Anhwei
1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan
1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Yunnan
Combat - Japanese
Battle in 53 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
Americans defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
1 submarine owned by the Americans Submerged
Japanese win with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
Casualties for Japanese: 2 fighters
Battle in 61 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 battleship and 1 carrier
British defend with 1 cruiser
Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
Japanese win with 1 battleship and 1 carrier remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
Battle in 47 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
British defend with 1 transport
Japanese win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for British: 1 transport
Battle in 49 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 fighter
British defend with 1 transport
Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for British: 1 transport
Battle in Borneo
Japanese attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry
British defend with 1 infantry
Japanese win, taking Borneo from British with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
Battle in Anhwei
Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
Americans defend with 2 infantry
Japanese win, taking Anhwei from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Battle in Yunnan
Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
Americans defend with 2 infantry
Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Americans with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Japanese
1 carrier moved from 50 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from 53 Sea Zone to Wake Island
1 fighter moved from Anhwei to 60 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 49 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Yunnan to 61 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Yunnan to 60 Sea Zone
Place Units - Japanese
2 transports placed in 60 Sea Zone
1 factory placed in East Indies
Turn Complete - Japanese
Japanese collect 33 PUs; end with 34 PUs total
1 unit repaired.
Dive Dive Dive! You American sub is safe, hiding from the sneak attack at the bottom of the harbor. heheh
USA did pretty well at Pearl, they managed to peal off a second Japanese zero before being destroyed! Zip bang! Well done dude.
Catch you on Germany, after USA/Russia make their plays.
Best
Elk
TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
2 destroyers moved from 11 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 56 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 53 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Western United States to 53 Sea Zone
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
2 destroyers moved from 11 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 56 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 53 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Western United States to 53 Sea Zone
Combat - Americans
Battle in 53 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
Japanese defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
Casualties for Japanese: 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
Battle in 10 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 bomber, 2 destroyers and 1 fighter
Germans defend with 2 submarines
Americans win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
Non Combat Move - Americans
1 fighter moved from 10 Sea Zone to Eastern Canada
1 fighter moved from 53 Sea Zone to Central United States
1 fighter moved from 53 Sea Zone to Western United States
1 bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 cruiser moved from 19 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Alaska to Western Canada
1 battleship moved from 56 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Eastern United States to Central United States
1 aaGun moved from Eastern United States to Central United States
1 infantry moved from Western United States to Western Canada
1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 56 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 56 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to East Mexico
1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kazakh S.S.R.
Place Units - Americans
1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 11 Sea Zone
2 fighters placed in 11 Sea Zone
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs total
Ah the Americans have opened. I will be interested to see Stalin’s moves and the dawn of the second round.
:)
