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Hcw001
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Hey I’m a new player to the game and was wondering about the victory city count. Does Honolulu make it 13? If not, why is it still marked on the game board/map?
Thanks!
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Herr Rommel
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Welcome to the forum Hcw001.

Honolulu makes the victory city count 13.
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calvinhobbesliker
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You forgot to put the USSR in the poll.
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IdaRed
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I have no idea what this poll is about but voted USA because it sounded good.
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USA, USA, USA!!!
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dedo '18 '17 '16
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Interesting poll…for any reasons Germany seems to be most popular…
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Frederick II
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@dedo:

Interesting poll…for any reasons Germany seems to be most popular…

Because Germany is awesome in this game. :-D
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Witt Moderator 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12
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And a Prussian ought to know.
Long live Germany!
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There was a bit of discussion recently over here…

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=42496.0

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I personally have more than one way to “win” the game for each side.

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To add some diversity and other strategies to winning.

21 points to win (Axis pts/Allied pts) Axis starts with 9 Allied starts with 15

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I have found that some people are frustrated with the split UK income, and also of course, the Allies’ victory conditions, you never really see them occur in real life. So I propose the following changes.

SINGLE UNITED KINGDOM: The United Kingdom will now be a single income power, starting with 45 IPCs, they will still have two capitals, one in Calcutta, the other being London. In a scenario in which a capital is captured, the United Kingdom’s income is rewarded to the Axis power that has taken the capital, however as long as they have the other capital, the United Kingdom may still produce income. The national objectives for the UK will be the same ones from the separate economies design, they are just simply awarded to the now singular UK entity.

SETUP CHANGES IN RESPONSE: Remove the Major Factories in India and United Kingdom, replace them with Minor Factories. This is to prevent the UK from over-stacking London and making Sea Lion a pipe dream, and to also to prevent the balance of power in Southeast Asia from getting out of control.

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Egypt (i.e. the Suez canal) was Britain’s lifeline to the Asian dominions and colonies.

Perhaps combine all UK/India/Anzac economies, but if the canal is lost it must be divided into East and West. Therefore, taking Cairo for the Axis stops UK spending all combined income in the European theatre.
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The interseting thing with the Supreme Excellence card is what it brings in for strategy, not so much about the numbers. If you attack and concentrate a force into one zone or territory, just to deplete an enemy on a stack of strategically interesting units, you might end up in trouble. What would happen if the defending player plays the Entrenchment or Signals Intelligence card! As you see, it will bring a second level thought to the strategy that we have never seen before. Make it more of a strategy game, and less luck, which is the opposite to what most people think at first sight. If you try these rules you will discover new insights about this second level thought in many other situations of the game play. Enjoy!

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Thanks for providing this background information, YG. I now understand better what you’re aiming to accomplish. I don’t have a specific solution to recommend that might work for your group, but here are a few questions you and the other people in your group might want to consider. The answers may provide you with guidance on what kind of point-scoring system might best suit your purpose. Fundamentally, the question to consider is: what kind of accomplishments do you want to reward by awarding points? Here are a couple of aspects of that question:

First: do you want the rewards to be incremental (round-by-round) throughout the game or do you want them to be based only on the final outcome? Under the first option, it doesn’t matter so much whether a player controls X at the end of the game; all that matters is how often he controlled it during the game. Under the second option, the reverse would be the case. Each option has its upside and its downside. For example, under a final-outcome-only system, a player who controlled X throughout the game but lost it on the last round would be in the same unhappy position as an investor whose stock portfolio did wonderfully for decade after decade but then crashed in value just before he was planning to sell it to finance his retirement.

Second: Assuming you choose an incremental system, do you want to reward consistency more (or less) than changes? Example: Let’s say that I’m the Soviet player and that I manage to hold on to Moscow for the whole game. Objectively, this is a desirable state of affairs (just think of what Stalin would have done to Zhukov if he’d lost Moscow in late 1941), but if the point system only rewards changes (i.e. the achievement of a defined goal), then my success in holding my capital doesn’t give me any points. Now let’s say that I’m the Soviet player and that, in an 8-round game, I lose Moscow 4 times and regain it 4 times, and let’s say that the point system rewards gains without penalizing losses. In that scenario, I’d gain 4 points – so I’d be further ahead point-wise than if I’d managed to successfully defend my capital from capture for the whole game. That would sound bizarre to me. One partial way to address this problem is by having both debits and credits: giving points for successes and deleting points for failures. In such a system, losing Moscow 4 times and regaining it 4 times would have the same zero-sum result as simply holding Moscow. But here we’d face a new question: should two such different situations really translate into the same number of points (in this case zero)? Or should the point system reflect the view that one of those scenarios demonstrates superior generalship, and hence should be rewarded? (Personally, I’d argue that the general who holds Moscow for the whole game is doing a better job than the one who keeps losing and recapturing it.)
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Also, perhaps when the combined allies/axis is greater than X over the combined allies/axis, they generate one VP?

This would solve the turtle issue forcing whichever side to come out and fight or face defeat.

Example: is axis have 25+ more IPC combined than allies, +1 VP per turn as long as they have this advantage.

Secondly, the axis and allies start with a different number of VC, so you might have to assign different values for every city, rather than blanket the map with fixed values for each city.

The ability to gain objectives matters alot toward balancing…which is one of the main reasons why i don’t like NO’s because they are not equal in terms of capturing/protecting…partly why the OOB setup was imbalanced IMO.

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