The map design and color is beautiful, but I am still trying to get used to the grossly distorted landmasses.
And China seems disproportionately small with how much action may take place there.
I’ll buy this no matter what but I hope they don’t release it for another year. It hasn’t been “playtested for 2 years” if they are still redrawing territories last month. Also, the rules were never straightened out on 7.2. Read the boards and that’s very clear. 95% of the questions on the boards are actually in the rules but about 3% of the rules are ambiguous and 2% of the rules simply don’t exist. So it doesn’t make sense to release another game until they get the last one right. I’m sure the playtesters and designers know what the rules mean 100% but no one else does. Tear the game down to the basics and build it up slowly from there. It would be worth the wait. You only need 1 great game instead of 5 games that can only be deciphered 95%.
Avalon Hill games are actually 99% clear, but unfortunately not as fun.
Not that it really matters. I will still buy it and playtest it but I wish I didn’t have to.
I’ll buy this no matter what but I hope they don’t release it for another year. It hasn’t been “playtested for 2 years” if they are still redrawing territories last month. Also, the rules were never straightened out on 7.2. Read the boards and that’s very clear. 95% of the questions on the boards are actually in the rules but about 3% of the rules are ambiguous and 2% of the rules simply don’t exist. So it doesn’t make sense to release another game until they get the last one right. I’m sure the playtesters and designers know what the rules mean 100% but no one else does. Tear the game down to the basics and build it up slowly from there. It would be worth the wait. You only need 1 great game instead of 5 games that can only be deciphered 95%.
Avalon Hill games are actually 99% clear, but unfortunately not as fun.
Not that it really matters. I will still buy it and playtest it but I wish I didn’t have to.
billcallaway, I understand how you feel about the 1939 rules, but as far as this map, the territories have been in placed for a long time. Their just improving the looks and color. I’ve been to HBG’s warehouse and have seen the map myself, and it is gorgeous.
I’ve talk to a few of the people that are working on the rule set, and they told me they have been working and play testing this for 2 years.
I’m going by what was told to me, but I do know, a lot more time has been placed on this project than any other. The reason I know that, is because they were talking about all those global sets a couple of years ago. Those global sets are all going to be related in some form, to the upcoming map.
I think they learned from the 1939 map rules that they needed to be improved in many ways.
I’m going by faith, that they have improved the rules. I’m sure there have been learning curves along the way, but I hope nothing but the best for this new game, but I do understand your feelings about it.
Cheers! :-)
John
this looks like shit, Africa looks retarded and adding Antartica is stupid. the land masses don’t look right, I mean Afrika is larger then both NA and SA put together. China is way to small
I like the extra sea zones, But sorry this map is definitely not for me
Yeah, I don’t understand the need for Antarctica. Africa looks ridiculous and China is unbelievably small.
Am I imagining things or has GW39 2nd Ed. been developed with the intent to proceed beyond the scope of WWII? Into the Cold War.
Guys, no matter how you look at it, it is a preference thing. Some will like the map and some won’t.
The whole plan for the future of the game is to eventually start in 1850 with your pieces on the map and wind up with modern day pieces on a modern map.
During World War 2, Germany and the UK had bases in Antarctica. Germany had a colony their as early as 1938, I believe.
Supposedly, their was a conflict their that was so secret that the US did not know about it, but the UK did. The UK wanted to stop Germany and their experiments they were doing down their.
HBG wants to do an expansion set reflecting the tension that was going on there, that very few people know about.
I think it would be fun, but it sure isn’t going to be everybody’s cup of tea. I think the reason Africa was made bigger, is because there will be expansions reflecting the war in Africa.
Since there wasn’t much fighting in the Americas, I think they had to sacrifice some looks to the map to bring these conflicts, more room to fight in. This is just my theory on it.
I’ve been keeping up with it, since the beginning, and I’m excited about it, but I realize that not everyone is going to agree with me, but we all got our likes and dislikes. :-D
Ah HA! So I was correct.
This is where a fundamental disconnect will occur between people who think the 1850-1990? 2000? idea is freaking awesome and those who just want to play WWII. If the map is being made with intentions to be pre-during and post WWII, there will have to be exceptions and generalizations to geography. I have no idea how they plan to execute such a far reaching game in a comprehensible fashion. Shifting geo-political borders on a static map may only be the most obvious problem they have to deal with.
More power to them and I hope the mechanics make for a fun game. However, if I am looking for just a WWII A&A map, I may need to look elsewhere. Seems very odd that they would call this a 2nd Edition of Global War if it is really a totally different game.
In terms of strictly a strictly WWII game, I think Antarctica is a totally insane inclusion.
Ah HA! So I was correct.
This is where a fundamental disconnect will occur between people who think the 1850-1990? 2000? idea is freaking awesome and those who just want to play WWII. If the map is being made with intentions to be pre-during and post WWII, there will have to be exceptions and generalizations to geography. I have no idea how they plan to execute such a far reaching game in a comprehensible fashion. Shifting geo-political borders on a static map may only be the most obvious problem they have to deal with.
More power to them and I hope the mechanics make for a fun game. However, if I am looking for just a WWII A&A map, I may need to look elsewhere. Seems very odd that they would call this a 2nd Edition of Global War if it is really a totally different game.
In terms of strictly a strictly WWII game, I think Antarctica is a totally insane inclusion.
LHoffman, Coach can explain it better than I can, because he and the team are working on all these ideas. I don’t know if all the time periods will be on this map, or if there are pieces that will go on top of certain sections of the map or if there will be maps for other periods.
I just know that Germany and Britain were in Antarctica during World war 2 and towards the end of the war US started to investigate it, as well.
This maybe just a World War 2 map. That part, I 'm not sure. I do know there are three start dates of 1936, 1939 and 1942, so for all purposes, it probably is just World War 2 for now, but if want to know more about it, I would call coach before you buy it. he will be happy to explain his intentions for the map. He is very easy to talk to.
There number is on his website.
Cheers. :-)
John
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Check out what I found.
http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/Proposed-Games_c_550.html
Yes, see that is what I’m talking about. They are getting customer input as well, because they want everyone to enjoy a slice of pie. :-D
LHoffman, Coach can explain it better than I can, because he and the team are working on all these ideas. I don’t know if all the time periods will be on this map, or if there are pieces that will go on top of certain sections of the map or if there will be maps for other periods.
I just know that Germany and Britain were in Antarctica during World war 2 and towards the end of the war US started to investigate it, as well.
This maybe just a World War 2 map. That part, I 'm not sure. I do know there are three start dates of 1936, 1939 and 1942, so for all purposes, it probably is just World War 2 for now, but if want to know more about it, I would call coach before you buy it. he will be happy to explain his intentions for the map. He is very easy to talk to.
There number is on his website.
Cheers. :-)
John
Yeah, these are just my initial reactions. HBG is a great company and they tend to think things through much better than AH/WotC. They are truly strategic gamers themselves which shines through in the quality of their product and their respect for their customers. Of which I am a very satisfied one. It is great also that they are so accessible, either via phone, email or even here in our community.
The link I posted just blew my mind. I chuckled with absolute disbelief my eyes were trying to soak up all the information. I am surprised they haven’t sent out a newsletter with this info or made any sort of announcement (that I have seen). I would think that this is pretty big news for our Axis and Allies community so I don’t understand how it has flown under the radar for so long. I mean, the link was a rather average looking Facebook post from 2 days ago…
The 2025 scenario looks really cool actually. And the multiple boards addresses one question at least.
I am assuming that these are also NOT the finished maps. I imagine when finished they will look closer to the Global War 39 2nd Edition one shown on this thread.
Exciting times to say the least.
Yes, see that is what I’m talking about. They are getting customer input as well, because they want everyone to enjoy a slice of pie. :-D
And where are they getting the input? Here? Facebook? Unfortunately I am not on Facebook, but I do check it semi-regularly to see any news there. If here then I need to be a bit more proactive.
They are doing the best they know how, for such a small company, and they aim to please.
Those aren’t finalized maps.
You are suppose to vote for the maps or games, you want to see in the future. :-D
You are suppose to vote for the maps or games, you want to see in the future. :-D
Well, I understand that… but where? I have seen general conversation around here as to what they are up to, but haven’t seen any Doug or Variable activity of late regarding this. I have treated the HBG - Axis & Allies Parts/Accessories and Custom Piece Sets Store! thread (http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=27911.1095 as the de facto announcement and update place, but there hasn’t been much activity lately.
You are suppose to vote for the maps or games, you want to see in the future. :-D
Well, I understand that… but where? I have seen general conversation around here as to what they are up to, but haven’t seen any Doug or Variable activity of late regarding this. I have treated the HBG - Axis & Allies Parts/Accessories and Custom Piece Sets Store! thread (http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=27911.1095 as the de facto announcement and update place, but there hasn’t been much activity lately.
By clicking on, “put me on the waiting list”, this is your vote, but you can also, click on all of them, if you want. They will add the total votes at some point. They are just gauging the interests of what people want at this point.
Unfortunately, the only news you get on any of what they are doing is through face book or the stores website, but predominantly, it is through face book.
That is all I know at this point.
Thanks for the info John.
Thanks for the info John.
Just don’t add it to the cart, only click the game you like, and click “put me on the waiting list.”
This should be more clear, I hope. :-)
After examining the map more closely last night I am actually excited for this 2nd Edition. The longer I look at it, the less the squished Africa really bothers me. I still wish the China coast was bigger, but I am assuming there are good reasons to have it the way it is.
As I posted elsewhere, I am interested to read the revised rules when they come out. Particularly about difficult terrain and the new convoy system. If you zoom in to the picture you can distinguish what look like convoy routes drawn out around the map.
After examining the map more closely last night I am actually excited for this 2nd Edition. The longer I look at it, the less the squished Africa really bothers me. I still wish the China coast was bigger, but I am assuming there are good reasons to have it the way it is.
As I posted elsewhere, I am interested to read the revised rules when they come out. Particularly about difficult terrain and the new convoy system. If you zoom in to the picture you can distinguish what look like convoy routes drawn out around the map.
Yes, I’m very excited about this new map, and they have been working, long and hard on this thing. I can’t wait to read these rules as well. :-D
As John Brown mention in a past message, I hope that HBG will have somebody that can answer a question on new game within 1 day or 2. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Sorry people, we have been very busy trying to finalize Amerika and all the new Global games we have lined out. We have been working on expansions for Amerika and Global. We have actually started researching over 40 expansions for Global War and it will be very neat. Antarctica was my idea but we have plans for it. We had a map artist make us maps for each time period that who owns what, rivers, etc. We then give it to our game artist and he turns it into a game amp with IPP, names, colors, etc This is a huge series with a lot of thought to tie them ALL together if you wish but also playable as a stand alone game.
Global War Series: Our Global War series consists of interconnected games spanning the time period of 1850-2025. Players can play any Global War game individually, or connect them together in one monster game where victory in one affects the starting point of the next. These games consist of both large scale wars (World War I, World War II, and hypothetical wars in 1985 and 2025), and interwar periods where players fight limited conflicts. As players transition from one game to the next, they upgrade units to new models, and make decisions about how their nation will enter the coming era.
Global War 1850-1884: This game takes players through a fascinating time in Global history. Major Powers of the time are in great competition to secure colonies and natural resources around the globe. Players engage in colonization, and fight limited scale wars (e.g. American Civil War, Crimean War), and deal with the rise of emerging nation’s states hungry for their share of power. Victory in this game contributes
Global War 1885-1913: This game takes players through the final days of the Colonial Period including the intense competition over Africa. The Russo-Japanese War, Spanish-American war, Boxer Rebellion and other conflicts keep players busy trying to maintain and expand their empires.
Global War 1914-1918: This is the definitive World War I game. In this game players will play World War I in the expanded detail provided by our Global War line of games.
Global War 1919-1935: This game takes players through the inter-war years from the end of World War I to where Global War 1936-1945 begins. Players will be kept busy with wars in Russia, the Chinese Civil War and others.
Global War 1928: This fascinating Alternate History game puts World War II on a completely new stage. A fully described alternative timeline of the world has left almost all major powers roughly equal in power, and in intense competition for global resources. There are no prescribed alliances, which means players might play different combinations of countries each time and use different strategies to meet their victory objectives. New playable nations include Spain, Imperial Russia, Qing Dynasty China, the Ottoman Empire, Confederate States of America and others.
Global War 1936-1945: This is the definitive World War II game featuring greatly expanded rules, a whole new map, and a massive number of planned expansions. Some unique features of this game include the inclusion of the Comintern as a third Alliance, separate from the Axis and Allies, improved convoy raiding and lease-systems, diplomatic options, multi-stage production and an optional 1936 start date where players can fight the Spanish Civil War and Chinese Civil War.
Global War 1951-1972: This game is an interwar treatment of the Cold War, where the USA and its allies struggle against the global threat of Communism. Players will fight conflicts such as the Korean War, Vietnam, Arab-Israeli wars as the specter of Global war with the Soviet Union always looms.
Global War 1985-1991: The Cold War is over, and the impending collapse of the Soviet Union has spurred its leaders to do the unthinkable – launch a massive invasion of Europe. In this game, players battle US and NATO forces (and their allies around the Globe) against the worldwide threat from the Soviet Union and its Communist backed regimes around the world.
Global War 1992-2024: Welcome to the Modern World! This game puts players in charge of modern historical events during the 1990s and 2000s including the Global War on terror, conflicts in Europe and the Middle East and elsewhere. This interwar game connects the 1991 game to the 2025 game, and lets players vie for Global supremacy in the modern age:
Global War 2025-2031: After years of rising tensions, the Russian Federation, People’s Republic of China and the Islamic Caliphate launch a global attack on the West and its Allies. The United States, NATO and the Pacific Coalition (Japan, S. Korea, Australia, Japan and India) fight to beat them back before they destroy the free world.
