Teslas (Allies) vs Private Panic (Axis) in 1940 Global

[teslas]

Now that I’m home from work:

I would even say Sea Lion is perfectly possible even if the allies don’t make moves that are easily labeled as “mistakes”.

Preconditions:
1: You can keep a reasonable amount of ground-based Germans (hopefully 6+), and your transports, alive after the affair.
2: You will not lose more than a 3-4 planes, maximum.
3: London had a very weak buy UK1.
4: Your G2 bombing raid against London does not go all pair shaped on you.
5: America is not in a position to readily liberate London.

5:
Even if America does come over and liberates UK, if they have to invest a lot to do it, Japan is running amok. This can be, and often is, worth it for the Axis. And by “readily” I meant already primed and ready to go. If they don’t have very much in the Atlantic as of that moment, then you’re good.

Perhaps we can play a game after this one, with the sides swapped? If our positions were swapped right now, and you were pulling the shit on me that I’m trying to pull on you, I think there’d have been a chance I totally changed gears and went Sea Lion, even with those three American transports. The main problem, though, is the large British naval presence in the med (which, if I get bad dice, I might be about to fix that for you). Half of the strength of doing Sea Lion is giving Italy an ass ton of leeway in the med since the UK reinforcements dry up.

[Private-Panic]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                  Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
                  Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
                  Germans take Vyborg from Russians
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers and 1 fighter
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans win with 2 bombers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
            Battle in 115 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
                Russians defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Russians Submerged
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser

Non Combat Move - Germans
            3 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            6 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
            5 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            3 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            1 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Germany
            2 bombers moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 115 Sea Zone to Germany
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone

Place Units - Germans
            1 bomber and 1 fighter placed in Western Germany
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry placed in France
            1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            6 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4
            Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs

[Private-Panic]

Submerged your sub, so hope that was okay?

Happy to do things the other way around in our next game.

The opportunity for J to run amok in the Pacific is particularly attractive. Will keep thinking about sea lion. As before, certainly need to keep the UK guessing by opening up the possibility with Baltic naval and that might lead to trying it. A lesson learned I think.

Cheers!

[Private-Panic]

P.S. I think my G stack is safe. If that is correct then those tanks in Hugo were key …

[teslas]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 9 artilleries; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Politics - Russians
            Trigger Russians Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War

Combat Move - Russians
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to 115 Sea Zone

Combat - Russians
            Battle in 115 Sea Zone
                Russians attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Russians win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 33
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Russians
            6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
            2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
            2 infantry moved from Olgiy to Kansu
            1 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Olgiy
            1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Dzavhan
            2 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Central Mongolia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
            3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
            2 infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk
            3 artilleries moved from Russia to Bryansk
            2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 11 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
            6 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 artillery moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 115 Sea Zone to Russia
            1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone

Place Units - Russians
            9 artilleries placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 31 PUs; end with 33 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs

[teslas]

Yes sir, the sub submerge would have been the choice there. I will sometimes not do that, however, depending on the situation, so if it’s a very important fight or is kinda close maybe wait and ask me. But yeah, for this time, definitely submerge.

Your stack would have also been safe this turn if you only had 3 tanks. There’s not a lot of Russians there on R2–only two artillery. I usually don’t move my artillery piece up north like you did, so that would have also helped a bit. Russia could have attacked and hoped for good dice, sure, but the odds would have been under 30%, and a failure would mean the immediate end of Russia. The stack was further safe because the Russian planes were busy elsewhere, so wouldn’t have taken part. Speaking of which…

I am very sorry for what happened in the Baltic. A damaged battleship, cruiser, and transport all alone in those cold waters. A lot of brave kriegsmarine sailors died this day.

On the first round of combat, the submarine got its sneak attack. Between losing the cruiser and battleship, I chose the cruiser loss for you as it’s the most beneficial choice in every context. Still, I feel obligated to alert you when I make choices on your behalf, even if they are mathematically-provable best solutions to every scenario :p

At any rate, careful with the european axis fleet. It can do a lot of damage on the offense due to planes helping, but the planes can’t stick around to defend  what’s left without an air base or a carrier.

[teslas]

I just noticed that you did not move your sub-saharan african Italian units on I1.

If you would like to ret-con this, I am all for it. It’s a potential +2 more IPCs (the French destroyer was there to convoy Taganyika/Kenya at the time) depending on where you might want to move them.

If this was intentional, please excuse my pretentiousness.

[teslas]

And apparently there is a new version of TripleA out. Let me know if you upgrade, and I will as well, just in case. This is my only current game, so it doesn’t really matter to me either way.

[Private-Panic]

Hey tes

You should have a PM about my ribs and have just reached the end of my ability to sit here, so no turn from me yet.

I thought I did move those Italian units. Will check when I next go in. Either way, thanks for looking out for me.

I did your odds on the G stack including R air and thought it closer than that. wittman just took India from me on a 0% attack in a 1942.2 tournament so am feeling raw!

Thanks for the Baltic fleet pointers. Certainly the cruiser rather than the BB.

Sorry for the rushed post!

[teslas]

No problem, take your time. Cracked ribs suck. Nothing to do but wait for them to stop hurting.

If I might make a suggestion, sit on something much lower to the ground than normal, so you are keeping yourself looking a bit up, with your arms a bit raised (but still able to rest on the table/desk). Maybe also set your computer monitor/keyboard or laptop or whatever on a big book or two. It depends which ribs you cracked on whether or not this will hurt any more than normal.

This keeps you from being hunched over a computer, compacting the front of your body cavity and expanding the back. Best to keep both fairly straight.

Also, depending on which ones you messed up, and I know this sounds weird, but shorter, shallower breaths that you take from the bottom of your lungs will hurt a lot less than big deep ones. Try to think of breathing while keeping your shoulders completely still, and moving your belly in and out when breathing.

Maybe I somehow was looking at the game history the last time I was looking at Africa. We’ll see when you do your Japanese turn.

[Private-Panic]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 3 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
                  Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Siberia to Sakha
                  Japanese take Sakha from Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
                  Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buyant-Uhaa
                  Japanese take Buyant-Uhaa from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Ulaanbaatar
                  Japanese take Ulaanbaatar from Russians
            1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
                  Japanese take Buryatia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            2 bombers, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Szechwan
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 20 Sea Zone to Yunnan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Szechwan
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 1 fighter and 9 infantry
                Japanese win with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -15
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter and 9 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 5 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 3 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Szechwan to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to 5 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to 5 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 2 transports moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
            1 artillery moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
            1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
            1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
            5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Manchuria
            2 artilleries and 1 fighter placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 38 PUs; end with 41 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 51 PUs

[Private-Panic]

Thanks for all the medical advice. Are you a medical practitioner?

Did this go using 1807 without any issues. Did have problems downloading the s/w though, due to my own stupidity I think! Have posted on the s/w board.

I am sure you will have lots to say on my Japan go!

[Private-Panic]

BTW - I had done Italy in E Africa - Thanks

[teslas]

I am not a medical practitioner, no, but I have done many a dumbass thing that has lead to bruised ribs, and have had hobbies where breathing exercises were mandatory.

Looking forward to digging through the last round. I don’t understand your comment on Italy, but It’ll probably be clear when I see it in the game history.

[teslas]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 23 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Guam to Wake Island
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Western United States

Place Units - Americans
            2 carriers and 1 destroyer placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 56 PUs total

[teslas]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Kansu

Place Units - Chinese
            5 infantry placed in Kansu

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 5 PUs total

[teslas]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
                  British take 98 Sea Zone from Neutral
            1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone

Combat - British

[Private-Panic]

@teslas:

I just noticed that you did not move your sub-saharan african Italian units on I1.

If you would like to ret-con this, I am all for it. It’s a potential +2 more IPCs (the French destroyer was there to convoy Taganyika/Kenya at the time) depending on where you might want to move them.

I was just letting you know that I had moved them tes.

[teslas]

I don’t have much to say about Japan other than that you’re being very conservative, and if I had to guess, are planning to send a lot of Japanese people into Russia from the backside. If that’s not the plan, then I am confused. I say this because you have bought a lot of land units and no facilities for your planes/fleet.

The hit on the chinese stack pretty much ended any chance they had of being dangerous for you, but it cost you five planes to do it. I don’t know if that was worth it.

And yeah, I see what happened in Africa. Taking away that 5 IPC NO from UK Atlantic, damn you!

Now we need scrambles off of Italy into 97, again! The british are hellbent on making sure there are no italian boats left.

UK:
2x DD
1x CR
2x FT
1x Tac
1x Strat

ITA:
1x TT
1x DD
1x CR
and a potential 3 fighter scrambles

[Private-Panic]

Mmm! Tough call. But let’s show those Brits what we are made of and scramble everything. That’ll teach them! Grrr!