Yes - I guess I need to find a way of being less obvious in my lack of sea lion intentions. Someone posted somewhere that they save lots of G income from G1 to keep their intentions hidden, but that also delays placement of units.
For me the war will be won or lost in Russia, as long as I keep you out of Rome.
The UK’s ability to dump units in England makes sea lion impossible. Perhaps a modicum of G1 navy purchases (including TTs) in the Baltic also helps Barbarossa and keeps the UK uncertain. A lesson to try to remember.
Sea Lion is absolutely not impossible. It’s just that the UK will rarely let you get away with it without at least a somewhat Pyrrhic victory. If, like in this game, you see zero buys in London, and then they even take units out of London, your odds on Sea Lion are just about 100%.
Now, whether or not it will hamstring further efforts against Russia is a different situation. In this game, I’d say probably not, since there’s so little in London, and a G2 bombing raid on the London factory will (barring horrible luck) cripple them even further.
I did, however, spend USA1’s money on a decent force for the Atlantic in order to be able to, hopefully, reclaim a London lost to Germany, if it came to that.
Your decision to not do it this game I can support, so long as it was for the reasons of seeing a lot of British fleet alive and America immediately ready to liberate it. If either of those things weren’t true, then we could argue the positives/negatives of the play all day. If neither of those things were true, I’d argue that Sea Lion would clearly be the optimal play in that situation.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - ANZAC
Non Combat Move - ANZAC
2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
ANZAC take Java from Dutch
2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales
1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to South Australia
Place Units - ANZAC
1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
1 infantry placed in New South Wales
Turn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs
Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - ANZAC
Non Combat Move - ANZAC
2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
ANZAC take Java from Dutch
2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales
1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to South Australia
Place Units - ANZAC
1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
1 infantry placed in New South Wales
Turn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs
Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs
TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 1
Politics - French
Trigger French Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians
Combat Move - French
1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
I have to do some funky shit to be able to connect to this at work during lunch, so sorry for the double posting sometimes. Better to be safe than sorry.
France is suicide ramming your SZ97 fleet with its tiny med fleet (destroyer/cruiser). You have a destroyer/cruiser/transport there, and an option to scramble any 3 of your 3 ITA fighters and 1 German fighter.
There are no other French combat moves (if you can believe that >_>).
And since I can’t edit these posts:
I can only assume you would want to scramble, because unless I get odds that are something like .01% likely, you will not lose a plane before both French boats are dead. In the interest of moving the game along, I will scramble for you, and if you would rather not scramble after seeing the results, I will gladly roll the game back and do France’s turn again (with the exact same moves).
This is in every way beneficial for you.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 1
Politics - French
Trigger French Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians
Combat Move - French
1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
Combat - French
Italians scrambles 3 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 97 Sea Zone
Battle in 97 Sea Zone
French attack with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Italians defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 transport
Italians win with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -20
Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Moving scrambled unit from 97 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Southern Italy
Moving scrambled unit from 97 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Southern Italy
Moving scrambled unit from 97 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Southern Italy
Non Combat Move - French
1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
Turn Complete - French
Alright, that’s got her, back to Germany.
And no hits with the French boats. Stupid pansy French sailors.
TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 2
Research Technology - Germans
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Politics - Germans
Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
Combat Move - Germans
1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
Germans take Baltic States from Russians
1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
Germans take Karelia from Russians
1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
Germans take Vyborg from Russians
1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
Scramble from Novgorod?
Thanks for scrambling my Italian fighters tes - as I would have done.
I agree that sea lion is not impossible if the allies make lots of mistakes - no US north atlantic force; UK does not spot the sea lion plan and build accordingly (it’s hard to miss if G places a zillion TTs in the Baltic); the US & R miss their early DoW options; R don’t mass a force on G’s eastern front to strike at Berlin.
There should not be too many games where all of the above apply. So theoretically possible. Practically impossible.
No scrambling.
Now that I’m home from work:
I would even say Sea Lion is perfectly possible even if the allies don’t make moves that are easily labeled as “mistakes”.
Preconditions:
1: You can keep a reasonable amount of ground-based Germans (hopefully 6+), and your transports, alive after the affair.
2: You will not lose more than a 3-4 planes, maximum.
3: London had a very weak buy UK1.
4: Your G2 bombing raid against London does not go all pair shaped on you.
5: America is not in a position to readily liberate London.
5:
Even if America does come over and liberates UK, if they have to invest a lot to do it, Japan is running amok. This can be, and often is, worth it for the Axis. And by “readily” I meant already primed and ready to go. If they don’t have very much in the Atlantic as of that moment, then you’re good.
Perhaps we can play a game after this one, with the sides swapped? If our positions were swapped right now, and you were pulling the shit on me that I’m trying to pull on you, I think there’d have been a chance I totally changed gears and went Sea Lion, even with those three American transports. The main problem, though, is the large British naval presence in the med (which, if I get bad dice, I might be about to fix that for you). Half of the strength of doing Sea Lion is giving Italy an ass ton of leeway in the med since the UK reinforcements dry up.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 2
Research Technology - Germans
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Politics - Germans
Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
Combat Move - Germans
1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
Germans take Baltic States from Russians
1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
Germans take Karelia from Russians
1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
Germans take Vyborg from Russians
1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
Combat - Germans
Battle in 96 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 2 bombers and 1 fighter
British defend with 1 cruiser
Germans win with 2 bombers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
Battle in 115 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
Russians defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
1 submarine owned by the Russians Submerged
Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser
Non Combat Move - Germans
3 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
1 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
6 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
5 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
3 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
1 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany
1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Germany
2 bombers moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 115 Sea Zone to Germany
1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
Place Units - Germans
1 bomber and 1 fighter placed in Western Germany
1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 113 Sea Zone
2 infantry placed in France
1 infantry placed in Western Germany
6 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
Turn Complete - Germans
Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4
Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs total
Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs
Submerged your sub, so hope that was okay?
Happy to do things the other way around in our next game.
The opportunity for J to run amok in the Pacific is particularly attractive. Will keep thinking about sea lion. As before, certainly need to keep the UK guessing by opening up the possibility with Baltic naval and that might lead to trying it. A lesson learned I think.
Cheers!
P.S. I think my G stack is safe. If that is correct then those tanks in Hugo were key …
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 2
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 9 artilleries; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;
Politics - Russians
Trigger Russians Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians
Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians
Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War
Combat Move - Russians
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to 115 Sea Zone
Combat - Russians
Battle in 115 Sea Zone
Russians attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
Russians win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 33
Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
Non Combat Move - Russians
6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
2 infantry moved from Olgiy to Kansu
1 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Olgiy
1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Dzavhan
2 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Central Mongolia
1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
2 infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk
3 artilleries moved from Russia to Bryansk
2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 11 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
6 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
1 artillery moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 115 Sea Zone to Russia
1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
Place Units - Russians
9 artilleries placed in Russia
Turn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 31 PUs; end with 33 PUs total
Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs
Yes sir, the sub submerge would have been the choice there. I will sometimes not do that, however, depending on the situation, so if it’s a very important fight or is kinda close maybe wait and ask me. But yeah, for this time, definitely submerge.
Your stack would have also been safe this turn if you only had 3 tanks. There’s not a lot of Russians there on R2–only two artillery. I usually don’t move my artillery piece up north like you did, so that would have also helped a bit. Russia could have attacked and hoped for good dice, sure, but the odds would have been under 30%, and a failure would mean the immediate end of Russia. The stack was further safe because the Russian planes were busy elsewhere, so wouldn’t have taken part. Speaking of which…
I am very sorry for what happened in the Baltic. A damaged battleship, cruiser, and transport all alone in those cold waters. A lot of brave kriegsmarine sailors died this day.
On the first round of combat, the submarine got its sneak attack. Between losing the cruiser and battleship, I chose the cruiser loss for you as it’s the most beneficial choice in every context. Still, I feel obligated to alert you when I make choices on your behalf, even if they are mathematically-provable best solutions to every scenario :p
At any rate, careful with the european axis fleet. It can do a lot of damage on the offense due to planes helping, but the planes can’t stick around to defend what’s left without an air base or a carrier.
I just noticed that you did not move your sub-saharan african Italian units on I1.
If you would like to ret-con this, I am all for it. It’s a potential +2 more IPCs (the French destroyer was there to convoy Taganyika/Kenya at the time) depending on where you might want to move them.
If this was intentional, please excuse my pretentiousness.
And apparently there is a new version of TripleA out. Let me know if you upgrade, and I will as well, just in case. This is my only current game, so it doesn’t really matter to me either way.
