Teslas (Allies) vs Private Panic (Axis) in 1940 Global

[teslas]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Research Technology - Italians

[teslas]

Woops, I apparently missed posting the end of the British non-com movements. Sorry about that. Everything should be clear in the save game history, but it’s kinda nice to see a recap in the forums, too.

I had disproportionately good luck, I think. Both of your Italian boats in 97 scoring hits kinda sucks, but I can’t complain. If it had only been one hit, I’d have lost the destroyer and left you a destroyer/AC/fighter sitting there. That’s a good bit nastier to try and kill than just a damaged AC/desteroyer/cruiser.

All in all, I’ve never seen this much allied navy in the med in turn 1. I am banking pretty hard on your unwillingness to Sea Lion.

[teslas]

correction: I’d have lost the cruiser*

[Private-Panic]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Research Technology - Italians

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Greece
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 artillery moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 transport
                British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Italians win, taking 97 Sea Zone from British with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 30
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine
            Battle in Greece
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 3 infantry
            Battle in Southern France
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Southern France from French with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Tunisia
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya
            1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Greece to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Slovakia Hungary
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2
            Italians collect 13 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 13 PUs total

[Private-Panic]

Yes - I guess I need to find a way of being less obvious in my lack of sea lion intentions. Someone posted somewhere that they save lots of G income from G1 to keep their intentions hidden, but that also delays placement of units.

For me the war will be won or lost in Russia, as long as I keep you out of Rome.

The UK’s ability to dump units in England makes sea lion impossible. Perhaps a modicum of G1 navy purchases (including TTs) in the Baltic also helps Barbarossa and keeps the UK uncertain. A lesson to try to remember.

[teslas]

Sea Lion is absolutely not impossible. It’s just that the UK will rarely let you get away with it without at least a somewhat Pyrrhic victory. If, like in this game, you see zero buys in London, and then they even take units out of London, your odds on Sea Lion are just about 100%.

Now, whether or not it will hamstring further efforts against Russia is a different situation. In this game, I’d say probably not, since there’s so little in London, and a G2 bombing raid on the London factory will (barring horrible luck) cripple them even further.

I did, however, spend USA1’s money on a decent force for the Atlantic in order to be able to, hopefully, reclaim a London lost to Germany, if it came to that.

Your decision to not do it this game I can support, so long as it was for the reasons of seeing a lot of British fleet alive and America immediately ready to liberate it. If either of those things weren’t true, then we could argue the positives/negatives of the play all day. If neither of those things were true, I’d argue that Sea Lion would clearly be the optimal play in that situation.

[teslas]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
                  ANZAC take Java from Dutch
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
            2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to South Australia

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs

[teslas]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
                  ANZAC take Java from Dutch
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
            2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to South Australia

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs

[teslas]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Politics - French
            Trigger French Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

Combat Move - French
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

[teslas]

I have to do some funky shit to be able to connect to this at work during lunch, so sorry for the double posting sometimes. Better to be safe than sorry.

France is suicide ramming your SZ97 fleet with its tiny med fleet (destroyer/cruiser). You have a destroyer/cruiser/transport there, and an option to scramble any 3 of your 3 ITA fighters and 1 German fighter.

There are no other French combat moves (if you can believe that >_>).

[teslas]

And since I can’t edit these posts:

I can only assume you would want to scramble, because unless I get odds that are something like .01% likely, you will not lose a plane before both French boats are dead. In the interest of moving the game along, I will scramble for you, and if you would rather not scramble after seeing the results, I will gladly roll the game back and do France’s turn again (with the exact same moves).

This is in every way beneficial for you.

[teslas]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Politics - French
            Trigger French Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

Combat Move - French
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

Combat - French
            Italians scrambles 3 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 97 Sea Zone
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                French attack with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Italians defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 transport
                Italians win with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -20
                Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            Moving scrambled unit from 97 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Southern Italy
            Moving scrambled unit from 97 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Southern Italy
            Moving scrambled unit from 97 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Southern Italy

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
            1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa

Turn Complete - French

[teslas]

Alright, that’s got her, back to Germany.

And no hits with the French boats. Stupid pansy French sailors.

[Private-Panic]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                  Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
                  Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
                  Germans take Vyborg from Russians
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone

[Private-Panic]

Scramble from Novgorod?

Thanks for scrambling my Italian fighters tes - as I would have done.

I agree that sea lion is not impossible if the allies make lots of mistakes - no US north atlantic force; UK does not spot the sea lion plan and build accordingly (it’s hard to miss if G places a zillion TTs in the Baltic); the US & R miss their early DoW options; R don’t mass a force on G’s eastern front to strike at Berlin.

There should not be too many games where all of the above apply. So theoretically possible. Practically impossible.

[teslas]

No scrambling.

[teslas]

Now that I’m home from work:

I would even say Sea Lion is perfectly possible even if the allies don’t make moves that are easily labeled as “mistakes”.

Preconditions:
1: You can keep a reasonable amount of ground-based Germans (hopefully 6+), and your transports, alive after the affair.
2: You will not lose more than a 3-4 planes, maximum.
3: London had a very weak buy UK1.
4: Your G2 bombing raid against London does not go all pair shaped on you.
5: America is not in a position to readily liberate London.

5:
Even if America does come over and liberates UK, if they have to invest a lot to do it, Japan is running amok. This can be, and often is, worth it for the Axis. And by “readily” I meant already primed and ready to go. If they don’t have very much in the Atlantic as of that moment, then you’re good.

Perhaps we can play a game after this one, with the sides swapped? If our positions were swapped right now, and you were pulling the shit on me that I’m trying to pull on you, I think there’d have been a chance I totally changed gears and went Sea Lion, even with those three American transports. The main problem, though, is the large British naval presence in the med (which, if I get bad dice, I might be about to fix that for you). Half of the strength of doing Sea Lion is giving Italy an ass ton of leeway in the med since the UK reinforcements dry up.

[Private-Panic]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                  Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
                  Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
                  Germans take Vyborg from Russians
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers and 1 fighter
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans win with 2 bombers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
            Battle in 115 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
                Russians defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Russians Submerged
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser

Non Combat Move - Germans
            3 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            6 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
            5 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            3 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            1 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Germany
            2 bombers moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 115 Sea Zone to Germany
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone

Place Units - Germans
            1 bomber and 1 fighter placed in Western Germany
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry placed in France
            1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            6 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4
            Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs

[Private-Panic]

Submerged your sub, so hope that was okay?

Happy to do things the other way around in our next game.

The opportunity for J to run amok in the Pacific is particularly attractive. Will keep thinking about sea lion. As before, certainly need to keep the UK guessing by opening up the possibility with Baltic naval and that might lead to trying it. A lesson learned I think.

Cheers!

[Private-Panic]

P.S. I think my G stack is safe. If that is correct then those tanks in Hugo were key …