Evolution Poll

[Jennifer]

@madscientist:

Jennifer, doesn’t this verse imply original sin:

Romans 5
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

No.  That says that the angel of death was unleashed on the world when sin first appeared in God’s creation.  It goes on to say that all men will commit sin because no man is perfect.

[Shining Bowie]

Now, I must ask again, what version are you reading? And did you come up with all these theories on your own? Or did someone tell you all this?

[Guest]

I’ve been reading the “bugs bunny version”.

[Guest]

kwazy wabbit.

[Guest]

And shining bowie, don’t ever accuse me of “not believing” again. I firmly believe in GOD. And I also believe much of what you christians believe. I just know how to explain it!!

[cystic crypt]

is it just me, or is MD looking to increase his post-count?

[Guest]

Is it just me , or is CC trying to catch Switch in post-count?

[frood]

@Shining:

MD, it will never make sense if you never give it a chance,

Well, I tried to make sense of it for about 30 years, including three years at bible college. I think that qualifies as “giving it a chance.”

@Shining:

it’s called faith because it can’t make sense to a person who doesn’t believe.

Please re-read that about 20 times. Thank you. That pretty much proves my entire point. If you can’t come up with something that makes sense to someone who isn’t already a believer, you’re going to have a hard time convincing more people to become believers.

Try this version: "Our carpet cleaner will stain your carpets black. Unless you accept that that’s the best thing to do to your carpets, obviously you will never understand why our carpet cleaner is the best. But it says in the Holy Book that “thou shalt stain thy carpets black,” so do it and be saved!

Just replace “staining carpet black” (bad idea) with “believe without any proof” (imho also a bad idea) and you see that the argument doesn’t really stand on it’s own very well.

If your belief system has no validity unless underpinned by a certain set of assumptions called “faith”, you have to ask yourself on what basis that “faith” is justified.

[Avin]

@Maddogg:

kwazy wabbit.

Maddogg, I think you win this thread. Everyone else is just talking over each other and being stubborn.

[balungaloaf]

The point is no proof, if you want god to come and prove himself to you, you will ge sadly let down.  God doesnt deem it neccesary to come and prove himself to you alone, to FORCE you to believe in him.  Only free choice can take you down the right path.

[Shining Bowie]

Thank you Balungaloaf! atleast…. I think…

[Jennifer]

@Shining:

Now, I must ask again, what version are you reading? And did you come up with all these theories on your own? Or did someone tell you all this?

New International Version (NIV)

Sometimes I read King James or the Giddeon’s since those are in hotel rooms a lot and I don’t travel with a Bible.

And yes, I’ve also been told that by pastors and ministers I have had.  Both of my own denomination and those of others. (Sometimes I didn’t have a choice of my own, so I went to a similar one.  Been to Baptist, Catholic, Luthern, Protestant and once to a Mormon church.)

[Shining Bowie]

Mormon and Catholic are way off the beaten path of what I believe… so don’t bother bringing any of their views and theories into this. :-D

[balungaloaf]

Gideons is terrible to read.  All the ometh or eths that are in there, so un-necessary.

[Shining Bowie]

What’s an ometh? And an eth? Or are you referring to the old language style that is employed in KJV as well?

[Jennifer]

@Shining:

What’s an ometh? And an eth? Or are you referring to the old language style that is employed in KJV as well?

He means to say that it’s written in old english.

[Shining Bowie]

I would rather have the old english of the KJV than the messed up doctrines in the modernized versions.

[Avin]

Gideon’s Bibles ARE KJV Bibles. Gideon’s didn’t do their own translation.

Of course they do different translations for Bibles in different languages. And according to their website, they also now offer the New King James Version, which is similar to the KJV in more modern English.

[Shining Bowie]

Thanks for clearing that up. I’ve never used hotel Bibles before, we always have one or two with us.

[Jennifer]

@Avin:

Gideon’s Bibles ARE KJV Bibles. Gideon’s didn’t do their own translation.

Of course they do different translations for Bibles in different languages. And according to their website, they also now offer the New King James Version, which is similar to the KJV in more modern English.

They also give free copies to every enlistee in the United States Military…which is a good thing because Amry basic/officer courses only let you read the Bible, the Quran or the Tora during your “free time” no other material.