Frood- you do not want a sign by GOD. What you want is things that make sense! Well how about this!! And my quotes my not be accurate, but they are roughly right.
The only way to enter the kingdom of heaven is through Jesus. Could that possibly mean through Jesus’s message?? If you follow the “message”, then you can recieve “peace of mind here ON EARTH” That is why GOD loved the world so much that he he sent the bum to school us. Anyone that enjoys "peace of mind " here on earth has it going on! They apparently are doing what “GOD likes”. Because if GOD doesn’t like what you are doing, then ye shall recieve no fricking peace of mind. Some people are doing what GOD likes, almost automatically. Some good people are not, due to their seriously flawed nature & they are the ones who most need to recieve the “message”. It is the “message” that is important.
Does this also explain Frood, why people who have never heard of " Jesus" are experincing GOD’S love? They are already doing what repentive christians strive to do. And any GOD that would crucify and sentence to eternal hell an individual who has never heard of the messenger boy, yet does the message instinctively is no GOD that I would ever allow to judge me!
I thought that I would help you christians out, who seem pretty incompetent, other than knowing Bible verses. I have one question for you christians. Do you only know how to quote, or can you explain anything to where it makes good sense??
Come to poppa, I will make sense!!
MD, it will never make sense if you never give it a chance, it’s called faith because it can’t make sense to a person who doesn’t believe. Also, if the Bible is true than even the Heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth his handiwork. Meaning that even people who have never heard of Jesus, can tell by looking at nature that some great Creator made all of this. And they have no excuse for not realizing that when the day of judgement comes. But there is a chance for those alive on earth who have never heard of Jesus, to come to repentance during the Tribulation period, the problem is not all of them will.
Also, don’t bother helping us, all your doing is putting you own false spin on what we believe. So either stay on your side of the debate or stay out of it. Don’t try to jump on this ship just so you can sink it.
Jennifer, doesn’t this verse imply original sin:
Romans 5
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
No. That says that the angel of death was unleashed on the world when sin first appeared in God’s creation. It goes on to say that all men will commit sin because no man is perfect.
Now, I must ask again, what version are you reading? And did you come up with all these theories on your own? Or did someone tell you all this?
I’ve been reading the “bugs bunny version”.
kwazy wabbit.
And shining bowie, don’t ever accuse me of “not believing” again. I firmly believe in GOD. And I also believe much of what you christians believe. I just know how to explain it!!
is it just me, or is MD looking to increase his post-count?
Is it just me , or is CC trying to catch Switch in post-count?
@Shining:
MD, it will never make sense if you never give it a chance,
Well, I tried to make sense of it for about 30 years, including three years at bible college. I think that qualifies as “giving it a chance.”
@Shining:
it’s called faith because it can’t make sense to a person who doesn’t believe.
Please re-read that about 20 times. Thank you. That pretty much proves my entire point. If you can’t come up with something that makes sense to someone who isn’t already a believer, you’re going to have a hard time convincing more people to become believers.
Try this version: "Our carpet cleaner will stain your carpets black. Unless you accept that that’s the best thing to do to your carpets, obviously you will never understand why our carpet cleaner is the best. But it says in the Holy Book that “thou shalt stain thy carpets black,” so do it and be saved!
Just replace “staining carpet black” (bad idea) with “believe without any proof” (imho also a bad idea) and you see that the argument doesn’t really stand on it’s own very well.
If your belief system has no validity unless underpinned by a certain set of assumptions called “faith”, you have to ask yourself on what basis that “faith” is justified.
kwazy wabbit.
Maddogg, I think you win this thread. Everyone else is just talking over each other and being stubborn.
The point is no proof, if you want god to come and prove himself to you, you will ge sadly let down. God doesnt deem it neccesary to come and prove himself to you alone, to FORCE you to believe in him. Only free choice can take you down the right path.
Thank you Balungaloaf! atleast…. I think…
@Shining:
Now, I must ask again, what version are you reading? And did you come up with all these theories on your own? Or did someone tell you all this?
New International Version (NIV)
Sometimes I read King James or the Giddeon’s since those are in hotel rooms a lot and I don’t travel with a Bible.
And yes, I’ve also been told that by pastors and ministers I have had. Both of my own denomination and those of others. (Sometimes I didn’t have a choice of my own, so I went to a similar one. Been to Baptist, Catholic, Luthern, Protestant and once to a Mormon church.)
Mormon and Catholic are way off the beaten path of what I believe… so don’t bother bringing any of their views and theories into this. :-D
Gideons is terrible to read. All the ometh or eths that are in there, so un-necessary.
What’s an ometh? And an eth? Or are you referring to the old language style that is employed in KJV as well?
@Shining:
What’s an ometh? And an eth? Or are you referring to the old language style that is employed in KJV as well?
He means to say that it’s written in old english.
I would rather have the old english of the KJV than the messed up doctrines in the modernized versions.
