Battle of Britain 1940: Witt and his Private(Allied) vs Credulous and Dukla

[Credulous]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            3 armour moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to France
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to France
            3 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
            1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to France
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            5 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to France
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to France
            1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia

[Credulous]

Wittman pointed out I’d made some pretty lame moves so please use take 2 above….

[Witt]

I hope you were drunk the first time.

Did you want to throw the sub and the Norwegian Ft into SZ111 too?

[Witt]

If you get on line before my Private does, please scrambke all 3 to the Channel.
If you don’t add those two units to SZ111, we will also scrambke the Scottish Ft. Otherwise, no to Scottish scrambke.
Good luck, mein Freund!

[Private-Panic]

Hey witt & cred …

I’ll leave cred to scramble as per witt’s orders (I am merely his private after all). That gives cred the opportunity to change SZ111 if he wishes to do so.

witt - am I US, UK & UK Pacific? Also - I thought you disabled science/technology usually? Or are we playing this add-on in this game.

We also ought to clarify any other optional rules I guess? The Bosporus for example?

Cheers
PP

[Private-Panic]

witt - was remembering that you had said I would play 3 allies in a row, so looking again at the turn order I think I was wrong below and instead you meant:

Russians : witt
Americans : witt
Chinese : PP
British : PP
UK Pacific : PP
ANZAC : witt
French : witt

Is that correct?

[Witt]

Uou are the US too. It is US, China and UK (one nation, but two economies).
You will have more to do and more income. I am fine advising you and playing the other three nations. My two are separated by Axis turns. Your three follow on from each other.

I forgot to disable Tech. I suggest we play without for fhe first game. It is too much of a game changer.

[Credulous]

Not sure how I can edit the save file itself so I’ll just leave it as it is and suck it up on not utilising the northern sub. And the fighter in Norway. And the battleship. All good learnings for next time…

Is it me or is it much harder to use all your units on TripleA compared to on a real board? Anyways…

When you say the channel I presume you mean SZ109 so more Irish Sea/Bristol Channel as there is nothing to attack in the channel itself?

I’ve scrambled the fighters accordingly.

Next question how do we deal with selecting casualties? I’m resolving the France battle and have scored 7 hits in the first attack round (the AA guns missed). Presume you would go for the AA gun followed by the 6 infantry but what’s the usual protocol on this?

[Credulous]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            3 armour moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to France
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to France
            3 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
            1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to France
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
            1 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            5 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to France
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to France
            1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia

Combat - Germans
            British scrambles 3 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 109 Sea Zone
            British scrambles 1 units out of Scotland to defend against the attack in 111 Sea Zone
            Battle in 106 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 submarines
                British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in France
                Germans attack with 5 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers
                French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry; British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery
                Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital
                Germans converts factory_major into different units
                Germans win, taking France from French with 4 armour, 1 fighter and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 6 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry
                Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
            Battle in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers and 3 fighters
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                Germans win with 2 bombers and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 40
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Battle in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 submarines
                French defend with 1 fighter; British defend with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport
                British win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Moving scrambled unit from 109 Sea Zone back to originating territory: United Kingdom
            Moving scrambled unit from 109 Sea Zone back to originating territory: United Kingdom
            Moving scrambled unit from 109 Sea Zone back to originating territory: United Kingdom
            Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
                  Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
                  Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis
            1 infantry moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 artillery moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 cruiser moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from Norway to Western Germany
            2 artilleries moved from Germany to Poland
            10 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            1 fighter moved from France to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Western Germany
            4 tactical_bombers moved from France to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in Western Germany
            2 armour and 3 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 60 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs

[Witt]

Hi.
With regard to casualties, is usually ok to go with what the AI takes. Just use your discretion and think what you would like to be left with, if the situation were reversed. (Naval battles with Carriers and no where to lane a plane, needs to be thought out, as AI always takes he Carrier first and that might not be best.)

Sometimes the other player, might swap a unit, if the battle was a defensive victory and only went one round.
Just be kind and honest. Can always ask afterwards, if you are unsure if you did the right thing. Usually the other player will be fine with your choice. We are friends and I am cool with things.

[Witt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied

Combat Move - Russians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 118 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 109 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            6 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
            2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            4 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha
            1 armour moved from Volgograd to Rostov
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
            3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            1 armour moved from Russia to Western Ukraine
            1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Western Ukraine
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
            1 armour moved from Rostov to Ukraine
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Novgorod
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod

Place Units - Russians
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Novgorod
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
            4 infantry placed in Russia
            1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

Sakha : 2 infantry
    Yakut S.S.R. : 6 infantry
    Buryatia : 2 aaGuns and 10 infantry
    Belarus : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 11 infantry
    Bryansk : 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Bessarabia : 1 infantry
    Russia : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 4 infantry
    Ukraine : 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Western Ukraine : 1 armour, 1 artillery, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Volgograd : 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
    Novgorod : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Caucasus : 2 infantry
    125 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    114 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser
    115 Sea Zone : 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 41 / 70
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 26 / 26
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 12 / 12
    British : 28 / 28
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 10 / 10
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 13 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[Witt]

I took the liberty of moving your Sub to the Bristol Channel. We can’t hit it and you will convoy the UK.

Note: if Japan Attacks Amur or Any other Russian territory  bordering Mongolia, then you will trigger  Mongolia joining Russia. Russia will receive the Mongolian 6 Inf units.
Equally, if Russia attacks Korea or Manchuria, then I (Russia) will never receive the 6 Mongolian Inf and Japan is then free to Attack those Mongolian bordered Russian territories, without triggering the Inf joining Russia.
Some Attack those territories, regardless. Just wanted you to be aware.

[Dukla passer]

Test summary from TripleA, engine version: 1.8.0.5, time: 17:33:02

[Dukla passer]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Americans

[Private-Panic]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Politics - Americans
            Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
            Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Americans To War With Japanese
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States

Combat Move - Americans
            Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttatchment attached to Americans

Combat - Americans
            Americans creates battle in territory 35 Sea Zone

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 artillery moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil
                  Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
            1 artillery moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 10 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 armour moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to Queensland
            1 bomber moved from Central United States to Brazil

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 carrier placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 artillery placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 54 PUs; end with 56 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 81 PUs

[Private-Panic]

Please ignore the above. I rushed at it in an attempt to do something before going out and want to do it more carefully. Or my Captain will demote me!

[Witt]

Dukla, please do your go again. You must attack China, especially Yunnan. If China holds that, it gets a 6 NO. China must be pushed hard, if Ja pan is to have any chance.
If you think Japan is too overwhelming, we can swap and I can leave my insolent Private dangling. You could take Russia and Anzac/France instead. Just download G1 and redo Russia. It is not at war with anyone, so you can only do NOn Combat, until Germany or Italy attacks you.
Might be a better idea.

[Private-Panic]

Happy with the swap if Dukla wishes. I know I am still struggling with J in my second game against Witt.

Not sure it would help though as Dukla and I would almost certainly lose as the allies given no bid. Dukla and Cred as axis was supposed to afford an advantage to them.

But whatever Dukla decides, the game is not about winning. It is about enjoying the journey and getting better at it.

I also hope that this nervous beginning might in the future lead to a regular (annual?) face-to-face game between the four of us.

[Witt]

I would play and don’t mind if I host one time, but realise Hull is very far from Hereford.
I I couldn’t really have anyone stay, as I will have two children in 2 months and don’t thjnk that would be fair.

[Private-Panic]

@wittmann:

I would play and don’t mind if I host one time, but realise Hull is very far from Hereford.
I I couldn’t really have anyone stay, as I will have two children in 2 months and don’t thjnk that would be fair.

Since we are talking one table (4 players) here may also be an option. May be able to offer beds depending on the boss’s edict. We’ll worry about all that when the time comes.