G40 Gauss_Death (Allies +13) vs oysteilo (Axis)

[oysteilo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 14

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy nothing; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 4 PUs total

[oysteilo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 14

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 artillery, 6 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 mech_infantry moved from Karelia to Baltic States
                  British take Baltic States from Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Karelia to Belarus
                  British take Belarus from Germans
            4 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            7 artilleries moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            3 artilleries moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            12 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            8 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Libya to 96 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            4 fighters moved from Norway to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - British
            Battle in Greece
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                British attack with 1 artillery, 4 fighters and 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                British win, taking Greece from Italians, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 1 artillery, 4 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
            Battle in Caucasus
                British attack with 4 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 bomber, 8 infantry and 13 mech_infantrys
                Japanese defend with 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys
                British win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans, taking Caucasus from Japanese with 4 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 bomber, 8 infantry and 13 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Persia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Caucasus
            3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 20 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            11 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            2 aaGuns moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            4 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 submarine placed in 98 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 110 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            British undo move 3.
            3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Persia
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 47 PUs

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

[oysteilo]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 14

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 artillery, 6 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 mech_infantry moved from Karelia to Baltic States
                  British take Baltic States from Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Karelia to Belarus
                  British take Belarus from Germans
            4 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            7 artilleries moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            3 artilleries moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            12 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            8 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Libya to 96 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            4 fighters moved from Norway to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - British
            Battle in Greece
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                British attack with 1 artillery, 4 fighters and 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                British win, taking Greece from Italians, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 1 artillery, 4 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
            Battle in Caucasus
                British attack with 4 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 bomber, 8 infantry and 13 mech_infantrys
                Japanese defend with 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys
                British win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans, taking Caucasus from Japanese with 4 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 bomber, 8 infantry and 13 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Persia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Caucasus
            3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 20 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            11 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            2 aaGuns moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            4 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 submarine placed in 98 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 110 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            British undo move 3.
            3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Persia
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 47 PUs

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Finland: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Karelia: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[oysteilo]

Can you do me a favor? I did forget to move my British dudes in finland to Karelia. Thats the edit. But my bomber needs to land in trans jordan instead of Persia. It came from Egypt With airbase attacking caucasus

[Gauss_Death]

I concede. I did not expect you to take the Baltic States or Belarus. I cannot defend against the Americans coming in through Novgorod AND the British coming in through Caucasus and Greece.

It doesn’t matter how many units I produce.

Japan is in a slow slide against the American fleet.

Frankly, I should have gone against Russia several turns earlier. Either that or built a fleet of submarines and used those as soakers for the aircraft to push the american fleet off of the shores of Europe.

Play again?

[oysteilo]

@Gauss_Death:

I concede. I did not expect you to take the Baltic States or Belarus. I cannot defend against the Americans coming in through Novgorod AND the British coming in through Caucasus and Greece.

It doesn’t matter how many units I produce.

Japan is in a slow slide against the American fleet.

Frankly, I should have gone against Russia several turns earlier. Either that or built a fleet of submarines and used those as soakers for the aircraft to push the american fleet off of the shores of Europe.

Play again?

I agree that germany has some serious trouble and now USA can produce 9 units in Europe . And yes, there is stuff for Japan to worry about too. It also looks like anzac is able to produce some support for the USA. But Japan is still very strong I think. But conceding is your right and choice! I think this has been a very good and fun game.  I think the biggest problem for the axis is italy did nothing in the last 5, 6? rounds. Maybe Germany should have helped here. Maybe you should have gone for Russia earlier, but still I had a bunch of planes sitting in Norway /middle east ready to support. I also think you should have bombed Russia more or less every round . I think you played really well with Japan.  Maybe you should have invested a little more to make sure I could not hold any of the money islands for more than a round .I have had at least one of the islands for several rounds now. If you have any feedback for me I am happy for that! And YES I would like to play again . Start bidding or suggest something if you have any specific in mind.

[oysteilo]

And of course you were unlucky in the Moscow battle. I am still trying to figure out how unlucky you were

[Gauss_Death]

Horribly unlucky. I should have come out of that with 33 units, not 9. If I had come out of it with 33 units you would not have been able to take Novgorod. I would have had fighters and Tbombers in it.

I should have had (average): 1 Fighter, 5 Tbombers, 10 Bombers, and 17 Tanks. This assumes your AAA hit 4 fighters at the start (22/6 = 3.66)
6 Infantry, 2 M.Infantry, 1 Fighter, 5 Tbombers, and 10 Bombers could have easily held Novgorod against 1 M.Infantry, 4 Tanks, 2 S.Bombers and then the 2 M.Infantry+4fighters the british could bring on their turn.

On Germany’s next turn the 17 Tanks would have grouped up with 12 Infantry, 3 M.Infantry, and 3 AAA in Rostov. That is enough of a force to hold against your British troops while I build a turn or two.

Japan just needed to hold 6-8 turns while the Germans had a free hand in Europe. That should be doable.

[Gauss_Death]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 14

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 3 artilleries, 18 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            10 bombers, 5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Russia
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Russia
            17 armour, 18 artilleries, 52 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Russia
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Russia
            3 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Russia
            3 armour moved from Ukraine to Russia
            3 armour moved from Rostov to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Tambov to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Samara to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Russia
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Russia
                Germans attack with 26 armour, 18 artilleries, 12 bombers, 5 fighters, 55 infantry, 26 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 10 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber; French defend with 1 fighter; Americans defend with 1 tactical_bomber; ANZAC defend with 3 fighters; Russians defend with 6 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 3 armour, 23 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 82 infantry
                Germans win with 8 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -69
                Casualties for Germans: 26 armour, 18 artilleries, 4 bombers, 5 fighters, 55 infantry, 26 mech_infantrys and 4 tactical_bombers
                Casualties for British: 10 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for French: 1 fighter
                Casualties for Americans: 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for ANZAC: 3 fighters
                Casualties for Russians: 6 aaGuns, 3 armour, 23 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 82 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Russia: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Russia: 1 armour
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Russia from Russians to Germans
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            8 bombers moved from Russia to Volgograd
            3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
            10 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland
            3 aaGuns moved from Bryansk to Tambov

Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in Rostov
            3 infantry placed in Volgograd
            3 infantry placed in Novgorod
            3 artilleries placed in France
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
            Germans undo move 5.
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            Germans undo move 5.
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
            3 infantry placed in Ukraine
            3 infantry placed in Southern France
            3 infantry placed in Western Germany
            Germans undo move 5.
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Western Ukraine

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,3,6,4
            Germans collect 61 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 61 PUs total
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 76 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Russians from 20 to 0
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Germans from 76 to 96
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Russia: 1 factory_major
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Russia: 16 armour and 1 factory_minor
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Novgorod: 10 bombers, 1 fighter and 5 tactical_bombers
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 3 mech_infantrys
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Yugoslavia: 3 mech_infantrys
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Volgograd: 8 bombers
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[Gauss_Death]

That is the situation as I expected it (more or less) after the battle with Russia.

[oysteilo]

@Gauss_Death:

That is the situation as I expected it (more or less) after the battle with Russia.

I totally agree. This is the expected result. I will try to run the battle several times later to see what happens.

[Gauss_Death]

I am tempted to request a low luck battle. :P

Alright, I bid 20 for allies.

[oysteilo]

19

But we are playing dice, no tech again ?

[Gauss_Death]

Bid 18 Allies

I leave it to you whether we do dice or not and whether we do tech or not. Despite my frustration at the horrible luck I had in that battle (and thus the game) I am ok with it either way.

[Gauss_Death]

@oysteilo:

@Gauss_Death:

I concede. I did not expect you to take the Baltic States or Belarus. I cannot defend against the Americans coming in through Novgorod AND the British coming in through Caucasus and Greece.

It doesn’t matter how many units I produce.

Japan is in a slow slide against the American fleet.

Frankly, I should have gone against Russia several turns earlier. Either that or built a fleet of submarines and used those as soakers for the aircraft to push the american fleet off of the shores of Europe.

Play again?

I agree that germany has some serious trouble and now USA can produce 9 units in Europe . And yes, there is stuff for Japan to worry about too. It also looks like anzac is able to produce some support for the USA. But Japan is still very strong I think. But conceding is your right and choice! I think this has been a very good and fun game.  I think the biggest problem for the axis is italy did nothing in the last 5, 6? rounds. Maybe Germany should have helped here. Maybe you should have gone for Russia earlier, but still I had a bunch of planes sitting in Norway /middle east ready to support. I also think you should have bombed Russia more or less every round . I think you played really well with Japan.  Maybe you should have invested a little more to make sure I could not hold any of the money islands for more than a round .I have had at least one of the islands for several rounds now. If you have any feedback for me I am happy for that! And YES I would like to play again . Start bidding or suggest something if you have any specific in mind.

Japan is “strong” but not strong enough to hold out while America and Britain rip apart Germany. There is really no way Japan can get the needed VCs. The Allies have an equal or stronger fleet in the pacific.

As for Italy, you are right…but Italy lost a lot early on. It never really recovered. I didn’t know what to do with it after that. If Germany had tried to help Italy it would have cost Germany the battle for Russia.

Once I made the mistake of allowing you to take the money islands I couldn’t stop you from holding them. Japan is only one nation, you can use blockade destroyers to keep me from invading them.

I think the main mistake you made was that you didn’t attack Caucasus with your entire British army. If Germany counter-attacks then Russia grabs all the territory around Moscow and breaks out. Additionally, I would have lost too many units and would be at a disadvantage against Russia.

[oysteilo]

Ok. I prefer dice, no tech, but will play low luck too. Sometimes it is really frustrating with low luck
If we play low luck allies are yours at 18. If dice, I will bid 17

[oysteilo]

I was considering to do Caucasus as you suggested .I was worried you would go south and take out the middle east

[oysteilo]

Your Battle: 8 bombers, 1 tank

Battle 1: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 3 fig, 16 tanks
Battle 2: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 1 fig, 6 tanks
Battle 3: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 3 fig, 3 art, 26 tanks
Battle 4: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 3 fig, 15 tanks
Battle 5: Russia wins with 11 fig remaining
Battle 6: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 3fig, 25 tanks
Battle 7: 11 bombers remaining
Battle 8: Russia wins with 9 fig remaining
Battle 9: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 3 fig, 26 tanks
Battle 10: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 1 fig, 4 tanks
Battle 11: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 2 fig, 20 tanks
Battle 12: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 3 fig, 11 tanks
Battle 13: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 3 fig, 22 tanks
Battle 14: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 1 fig
Battle 15: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 2 fig, 2 art, 26 tanks
Battle 16: 12 bombers, 5 tacs, 1 art, 26 tanks

Out of these 16 Battles Russia won 2, 1 was about the same as the actual Battle (11 bombers, for simplicity used kept going without saving a tank)

Low Luck

12 bombers, 5 tacs, 2 fig, 13 tanks
12 bombers, 5 tacs, 2 fig, 13 tanks (exactely same result)

[oysteilo]

Test summary from TripleA, engine version: 1.8.0.5, time: 20:17:12

[oysteilo]

@oysteilo:

Test summary from TripleA, engine version: 1.8.0.5, time: 20:17:12

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