G40 Bar & Witt v majikforce & Legion (Allies +16)

[legion386]

The rule book states that you cannot load a transport in a hostile sea zone.  It looks like TripleA allows this though.  I would have done my UK Pacific and ANZAC turns differently if I had known TripleA doesn’t follow this rule.  What should we do about this?

[Witt]

You can on the turn you declare war.
I wondered why you put the DD there. You needed Anzac to DW, then Japan can’t load.
Please redo your UK Pacific moves, if you want.
Or we can start the whole game again.

[Witt]

People often do the Anzac DOW on 2. Not sure it would work on one. It prevents Japan loading from Kwangsi and taking an island. Some on J2, will leave a TT loaded.

[legion386]

In order to attack ANZAC, Japan had to declare war on ANZAC.  Once that happens, that sea zone becomes hostile.  When I am Japan, I usually leave at least one transport loaded if it is critical to my strategy.

[Bar91]

There is a thread somewhere that talks about this.  I will try to find it but it basically says that the round you declare war, you can still load transports even if an enemy is there.  The only way your trick works Legion, is for the UK to park a destroyer with the Japanese fleet and then Anzac declare war.

[Bar91]

Under “Declaring War” on page 12 of the Europe 1940 2nd edition rule book and page 11 of the Pacific 1940 2nd edition rule book. Here is what it says:

“During your Combat Move phase in which you entered into a state of war, your transports that are already in sea zones that have just become hostile may be loaded in those sea zones (but not in other hostile sea zones). In effect, transports may be loaded in their initial sea zones for amphibious assaults before war is declared, while the sea zone is still friendly.”

[Witt]

If you want to reposition your two UK ships, I can redo my J2.
Or tell me where you want them, then I can redo.
Is no bother to me. Am happy to be playing  you both.

[legion386]

Wow, I cannot believe I am still learning the rules after 10 years of playing this game :)  Majik and I have been playing it wrong this whole time!

Since this is a friendly game, I appreciate your offer for me to move my UK ships.  Could I also move the ANZAC fighters from Java?  I would not have placed them there if I had known they were in such danger!

[Witt]

Of course; please do.

[Bar91]

@legion386:

Wow, I cannot believe I am still learning the rules after 10 years of playing this game :)  Majik and I have been playing it wrong this whole time!

Since coming to this site  to play I have found 3 or 4 instances where I have said exactly this.  Its amazing how complex this game is.  That why we love it though!

[majikforce]

That’s a new one for me too!  Hey thanks guys for letting legion redo his moves. Great people, great site, great game!!

[legion386]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 4 artilleries and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 10 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            4 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
            5 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 armour moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Volgograd

Place Units - Russians
            3 artilleries placed in Ukraine
            1 artillery placed in Russia
            3 infantry placed in Novgorod
            4 infantry placed in Russia
            Russians undo move 4.
            3 infantry placed in Volgograd
            1 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 37 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Adding units owned by UK_Pacific to 39 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 36 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by UK_Pacific to 37 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Java: 3 fighters
            EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to Queensland: 3 fighters
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[legion386]

Thanks again and game on!

[Witt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 carrier and 3 destroyers; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Politics - Japanese
            Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
            Trigger Russians Allied Americans 5: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied

Combat Move - Japanese
            Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttatchment attached to Japanese
            1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 24 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Java
            1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to Java
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China
                  Japanese take French Indo China from French
            1 infantry moved from Siam to Shan State
                  Japanese take Shan State from UK_Pacific
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
                  Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
                  Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 20 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
            1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Kwangtung
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to 38 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to 38 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Java
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Yunnan
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Philippines
                Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Philippines from Americans with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in Java
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                ANZAC defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                UK_Pacific defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for UK_Pacific: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 38 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Americans Submerged
                Japanese win with 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win, taking 41 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 4 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry
            Battle in Kwangtung
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in Borneo

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 battleships, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Kiangsi
            2 fighters moved from Kwangtung to 6 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            2 bombers moved from 38 Sea Zone to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            1 carrier and 3 destroyers placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 49 PUs; end with 49 PUs total

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Iwo Jima : 1 infantry
    Paulau Island : 1 infantry
    Shantung : 1 flag
    Kwangsi : 1 flag, 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers
    Korea : 4 infantry
    Kiangsu : 1 flag
    Kiangsi : 1 flag, 1 tactical_bomber
    Japan : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 factory_major, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Jehol : 1 flag, 4 infantry
    Okinawa : 1 infantry
    Manchuria : 1 flag
    Hainan : 1 harbour
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Suiyuyan : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Kweichow : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Hunan : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Hopei : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Chahar : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry
    Anhwe : 1 flag
    Shan State : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Borneo : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
    Philippines : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    French Indo China : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Java : 1 flag, 1 artillery
    42 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
    41 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 submarine
    43 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    37 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
    35 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
    16 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    6 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 3 destroyers and 2 fighters

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 54
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 49 / 49
    Americans : 50 / 52
    Chinese : 5 / 15
    British : 26 / 34
    UK_Pacific : 13 / 22
    Italians : 14 / 13
    ANZAC : 10 / 14
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 3 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[majikforce]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Burma to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            5 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kweichow

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Kweichow
                Chinese attack with 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese win, taking Kweichow from Japanese with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 5 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Burma

Place Units - Chinese
            5 infantry placed in Szechwan

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 13 PUs

[Bar91]

Forget to post after the USA’s turn?

[Witt]

I think Legion is the  UK, Bar.

[Bar91]

The turn summary goes from Japan ––> China…no USA in between.  I was just curious what USA did.

[majikforce]

That was my fault sorry about that. I forgot to post the US. Playing when I’m tired is a recipe for mistakes. lol. All my purchases went to the pacific. I attacked two Japanese targets and NCM to Queensland. The Atlantic fleet went to canada.

[legion386]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 cruiser moved from 76 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
            EDIT: 1 battleship moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 72 Sea Zone to Kenya
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  British take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to Shan State
            3 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State

Combat - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Battle in British Somaliland
                EDIT: British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                EDIT: Italians defend with 1 infantry
                EDIT: 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in British Somaliland
                EDIT: British takes British Somaliland from Italians
                EDIT: British win
                EDIT: Battle casualty summary: Battle score (TUV change) for attacker is 3
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Battle in Kenya
                British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Kenya from Italians with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Shan State
                British attack with 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Shan State from Japanese with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to India
            1 artillery moved from Burma to India
            1 aaGun moved from Burma to India
            1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory
            1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Malta to Egypt
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from British Guiana to Brazil
                  British take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
                  British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 infantry moved from India to Burma
            2 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 fighter moved from India to Burma

Place Units - British
            1 factory_minor placed in Egypt
            1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 destroyer placed in 106 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 119 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1
            British collect 30 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 31 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 41 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4,2
            UK_Pacific collect 9 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 9 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry