XDAP #2 - Round 1 - Team Bad Dice - Team La Armada Invencible

[JuanSpain]

Yes, I would have taken the fighter as scort, if I knew this, I did not want to raid the airfield, and thought I would be promted by Triple A to decide, but I was not, and 4 AA dice were launched instead.

[JuanSpain]

Soul, I read the rules, it is attacker choice to select the bomber casualty.

[Soulblighter]

@JuanSpain:

Soul, I read the rules, it is attacker choice to select the bomber casualty.

Yes, but when you attack multiple facilities. AA are rolled for each facility. And triple A just dumps all the AA on one pile. There is a list with things that are still being mishandled by triple A. This is one of them.

[variance]

Aaah I hate when this happens.  We always have to use forum dice when there are more than 1 SBR target.  Oh well we can resolve this fairly.

First, the attacker decides which tac or bomber goes only if there is a tac and bomber attacking a base, not an IC. If its an IC it has to be bombers because tacs can only hit bases.  So if you had known that you would be crazy to send a tac instead of a fighter and risk it getting hit by AA.

So to be fair let’s say you sent a fighter and 3 bombers.  The problem is that 4 AA dice were rolled but there should have only been 3 dice for the 3 bombers.  There was 1 hit.  So now we have to decide if the 1 dice that got the AA hit was on the tac or on the bombers.  If it was on the tac (which is now a fighter) we will just keep tings as they are.

But the odds that the throwaway hit was on one of the bombers is 3 out of 4.  So the fair way to resolve it is to roll a 4 sided dice and if it rolls a 1 then the hit was on the tac and everything stays as it is.  If it rolls a 2, 3, or 4 then it was on one of the bombers.  That means 1 of the bombers gets removed and we remove one third of the SBR damage, which would be 5.

Does that sound fair to everyone?  If that’s OK I will roll it

[JuanSpain]

If you are right about the rules and the way dice were launched for the bombing raid by Triple A are not correct, then dice for the bombing raid in Moscow should be repeated from scratch in forum with the correct procedure.

[variance]

I can see your point, but dice have already been rolled.  I think we will need a ruling from Master Gargantua.  I will PM him.

[variance]

The Dice are SACRED.

[Gargantua]

Interesting situation you guys have found yourself in.

I am still reading the details, and reviewing the map before a ruling.

I appreciate that both parties are being respectful and reasonable with each other…

[Gargantua]

After reviewing the dice, the Tac could have been interchanged with a fighter at either Rostov of Vologda without any issue.

However, the axis inherited the risks involved with “assuming” an opponents scramble, and the “slighted” party if you can call it that - is the allies.

This is messy…  There are errors… there is an extra aa shot…  there is misinformed parties etc.

Tournament ruling is:

The allies may choose:
Option #1.  Accept dice as is.  Tac B is selected as casualty. Move on.

Option #2.  Allies can choose to Scramble, and Reroll the entire battle, Tac B still goes to the airbase.

If the allies don’t like Options #1 or #2, I will proceed with:

Option #3.  Axis attack is adjusted to 3 bombers 1 fgt as intended, and battle is rerolled.

Make your choice carefully.

[Gargantua]

I should clarify that option 2 would be rolled out over the forum, and AA Shots would be separated by facility.

[variance]

We will take option 1

Thank you.

[Soulblighter]

And we proceed for the washing machine.

[Soulblighter]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 8

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians repair damage of 12x factory_major; Remaining resources: 22 PUs;
            Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Tambov to Bryansk
            2 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Vologda
            1 armour moved from Italian Somaliland to British Somaliland
                  British take British Somaliland from Italians
            1 armour moved from British Somaliland to Ethiopia

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Vologda
                Russians attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians win, taking Vologda from Germans with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Bryansk
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry; Italians defend with 1 aaGun
                Russians win, taking Bryansk from Italians with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 aaGun
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to Iraq
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Kazakhstan
            1 armour moved from Russia to Kazakhstan
            2 aaGuns moved from Samara to Kazakhstan
            1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan
            1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Timguska
            1 infantry moved from Samara to Novosibirsk
            13 infantry moved from Samara to Russia
            2 aaGuns, 5 artilleries and 22 infantry moved from Tambov to Russia
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Vologda to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            7 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 25 PUs; end with 26 PUs total
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 32 PUs

[Soulblighter]

Move can be considered finalised once Variance gives the ok.

[variance]

looks good  :-)

[rubioton]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 8

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang
                  Japanese take Sikang from Chinese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Shensi
            1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
            2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Kweichow
            1 bomber moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Shensi
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in 30 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Guam
            Battle in Anhwe
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Guam from Americans with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in 31 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Kweichow
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 bomber moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            2 bombers moved from Kweichow to French Indo China
            3 infantry moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Hunan to Burma
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Malaya to Burma
            1 aaGun, 1 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to Burma
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            4 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
            2 carriers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 31 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 31 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 30 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            3 infantry placed in Kiangsu
            3 tactical_bombers placed in French Indo China
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Yunnan: 1 armour
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Burma: 1 armour
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 33 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 21 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 21 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 1 cruiser
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 33 Sea Zone: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 55 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 58 PUs; end with 58 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Shantung : 1 flag
    Kwangsi : 1 flag, 3 infantry
    Kiangsu : 1 flag, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_minor and 3 infantry
    Kiangsi : 1 flag
    Japan : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 4 infantry
    Jehol : 1 flag
    Manchuria : 1 flag
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 5 armour
    Kweichow : 1 flag, 1 mech_infantry
    Hunan : 1 flag, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
    Szechwan : 1 flag
    Sikang : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Shan State : 1 flag
    Burma : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 7 artilleries, 7 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys
    Malaya : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Borneo : 1 flag
    Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    New Guinea : 1 flag
    Philippines : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    Guam : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    French Indo China : 1 flag, 2 bombers, 1 factory_minor, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
    Celebes : 1 flag
    Java : 1 flag
    Sumatra : 1 flag
    42 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    44 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    43 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    33 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 6 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
    37 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    21 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
    6 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    55 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 55 / 63
    Russians : 25 / 32
    Japanese : 58 / 63
    Americans : 50 / 71
    Chinese : 7 / 10
    British : 35 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 5 / 5
    Italians : 16 / 35
    ANZAC : 10 / 11
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[JuanSpain]

We are thinking about moving the 3 inf from Indochina to Yunnan instead of Kwangsi

[JuanSpain]

We prefer Yunnan, please edit it when you move the Allied. Thanks

[variance]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 8

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 55 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            3 fighters moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 61 Sea Zone to South Australia
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 2 fighters moved from 63 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            3 submarines moved from 29 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            5 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            5 bombers moved from Southeast Mexico to Suriname
            1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to Suriname
            3 fighters moved from New Zealand to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Queensland to 26 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 4 submarines and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 aaGun moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
            1 aaGun moved from Central United States to Western United States

Place Units - Americans
            1 harbour placed in Southeast Mexico
            2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUs total
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 70 PUs

[variance]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 8

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
            1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Kweichow
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese win, taking Kweichow from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Hopei
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Hopei

Place Units - Chinese
            3 infantry placed in Hopei

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 10 PUs total