XDAP2 - Round 1 - Atlanta Axis vs. Boldman

[boldfresh]

java landing is legal because the territory is friendly to the allies, not neutral.

[rgp44]

ok, the rules on this game have become far too confusing I want to go back to playing Empire or Risk

[boldfresh]

i just noticed on the politics panel a category i had never noticed before - “custodianship”.  wonder if that word is used in the ruleset or if the developers just made it up.

either way, rgp, i assure you what gamer did was correct and he can fill in the details later siting chapter and verse.  don’t let it delay your planning.

[boldfresh]

one way to think about it is that the uk and anzac really function as one politically so if britain can do it, so can anzac.  it’s the usa who can’t take a dutch territory until it’s been taken by the axis.  they can still land planes in dutch territory however, once they are at war.

[boldfresh]

ok here’s a quote from the pacific rulebook - top of page 9 under political situation, UK and ANZAC - “these two powers also have an arrangement with the Dutch government in exile (Holland having been captured by Germany) and have taken guardianship of the Dutch territories in the Pacific.  As a result, they are free to move units into these territories as a noncombat movement at any time, as long as they have not yet been captured by Japan.  They may actually take control of them (gaining their IPC income) by moving land units into them.  Additionally, the UK and ANZAC consider attacks against any Dutch territories to be acts of war against them directly.  Once a Dutch terrritory has been captured by Japan, however, it may be captured and controlled by any power.”

[gamerman01]

Put another way, the UK can land a fighter on any Dutch territory on UK1.  There is no requirement that a playable power control a territory at the start of the turn.

In other words, the Dutch territories are like the French ones after Paris falls.
The confusion comes from the fact that ANZAC took control of the territory at the same time.  Normally you can’t take control of a territory and land air on it at the same time, but this is just because of the special rule that ANZ/UK have a special relationship with the Dutch to take control of these already friendly territories.

Feel free to go over my head and ask Krieghund - he will confirm what I said.

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

ok here’s a quote from the pacific rulebook - top of page 9 under political situation, UK and ANZAC - “these two powers also have an arrangement with the Dutch government in exile (Holland having been captured by Germany) and have taken guardianship of the Dutch territories in the Pacific.  As a result, they are free to move units into these territories as a noncombat movement at any time, as long as they have not yet been captured by Japan.  They may actually take control of them (gaining their IPC income) by moving land units into them.  Additionally, the UK and ANZAC consider attacks against any Dutch territories to be acts of war against them directly.  Once a Dutch terrritory has been captured by Japan, however, it may be captured and controlled by any power.”

This says units,  not ground units.  In this case it’s completely precise.

[boldfresh]

uploader is full - feel free to move if you want and email map to our emails.

cheers

[rgp44]

sorry, W-2/1099 prep is taking most of my time right now, that and playing endless phone tag with Jeff.

[boldfresh]

no rush - we understand completely.

[gamerman01]

You guys could e-mail each other or get on internet chat or facebook or something…

[gamerman01]

But yeah, we won’t expect much until February then

[rgp44]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 7 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 bombers moved from Holland Belgium to 92 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 92 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 92 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux

[rgp44]

scramble 110?

[boldfresh]

@rgp44:

scramble 110?

no thanks.

[rgp44]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 7 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 bombers moved from Holland Belgium to 92 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 92 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 92 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 92 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 :  4/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/4 hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the British, 1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 92 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 92 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 transport in 92 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 92 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 92 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 46
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
            Battle in 104 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 battleship
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 104 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 104 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship in 104 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 battleship owned by the British lost in 104 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  2/5 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French, 1 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 artillery owned by the French and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 2 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to Southern France
            1 bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to Southern France
            1 carrier moved from 112 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 104 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            2 armour, 2 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
            1 armour moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 mech_infantry moved from France to Yugoslavia
            4 armour moved from France to Yugoslavia
            2 artilleries moved from France to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            3 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Germany

Place Units - Germans
            1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            7 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Germany
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western Germany
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 46 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Southern France : 2 bombers
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 factory_minor
    Slovakia Hungary : 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 7 infantry
    Western Germany : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
    Romania : 4 infantry
    Poland : 3 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 14 infantry
    Germany : 8 artilleries, 1 factory_major and 1 infantry
    Holland Belgium : 2 aaGuns, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    112 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports
    104 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    Bulgaria : 1 flag
    Greece : 1 infantry
    97 Sea Zone : 1 infantry
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag, 4 armour and 1 mech_infantry
    91 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
    Finland : 1 flag, 7 infantry
    110 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 41 / 51
    Russians : 37 / 38
    Japanese : 29 / 40
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 26 / 36
    UK_Pacific : 21 / 21
    Italians : 16 / 18
    ANZAC : 14 / 14
    French : 11 / 0
    Dutch : 3 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[rgp44]

doesn’t it suck when your dice are so good you end up screwing yourself.

[boldfresh]

@rgp44:

doesn’t it suck when your dice are so good you end up screwing yourself.

dice being too good is never a problem i have had to face…  :lol:

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
            6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Buryatia
            3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 artillery moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            2 aaGuns moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 artillery and 9 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
            2 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
            1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            5 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            3 artilleries moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Belarus
            1 armour moved from Bryansk to Belarus
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus

Place Units - Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Volgograd
            1 mech_infantry placed in Russia
            3 infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 armour and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

[rgp44]

connection dropped, J2 attached