What's the consensus on a standard bid?

[Weekend Gamer]

@Cmdr:

I feel your pain Switch, but I’m still gunna nag you for being a hypocrite. :P

Anyway, yea, bad dice trump good tactics any day!

As for 4 fighters with Russia, not until you own E. Europe and/or Balkans and no Japanese pressure and only if you want to clear the med with Russia.  That happens like what, once every 50th game?

Very true, but it’s really cool when Russia has that fourth fighter!  Russia with an airforce is SCAARRRRRY! :-o

[trihero]

Can you believe I used to think that starting with a 2 fig buy with Russia was good? XD

The point of it was to attack the med fleet if it offloaded into Anglo with 4 figs  :roll:

[Jennifer]

4 Figs kills the Med fleet with a fighter or two left, in my experience.  No sims to support that statement.

Nice combo if England liberates Egypt and takes Algeria on UK 1.

Anyway, I’ve bought bombers with Russia before, just to drive the point home that Germany was dead.

[Lucifer]

@nuno:

Actually even in Classic one can win without a Bid, since outcome depends far more on the quality of the strategist involved(like in Revised) than in material advantage.

I challenge you to play against me, I play allies, you play axis with no bid.
No tech. LL or ADS is up to you. TripleA, host via hamachi.
Or are you a real coward?

[frood]

I don’t understand why people even reply to nuno in the first place, and even less when they bring his posts back from the grave like this. The best thing to do with him is ignore him. You just give him what he wants with these challenges: a cheap sense of importance or significance. He’s nothing but a net troll, a cockroach. Ignore him, because he scurries to quickly to be able to stomp on him.

[hyogoetophile]

Regarding R1, throwing everything at Ukr does not hurt the WRus much at all.

All-out into Ukr leaves WRus with a 60% chance to take it with 4-6inf 1art 1arm. Adding one armor ups the odds to about 65% for the same survivors.

In Ukr, all-out has a 96% chance of winning, and 60% of taking it with 2arm 2ftsr > 3arm 1art 2ftrs. If you divert one arm to WRus, Ukr now has 86% chance of winning, and only 54% chance of taking with 1arm 2ftsr > 2arm 1art 2ftrs.

WRus will be taken no matter what and with basically the same casualties. Whichever territory that arm goes to is going to get a +5% towards the three most likely results, and if the arm goes to Ukr, the attack gets +13% chance to win.

The arm is probably best spent in Ukr because it guarantees at least a good strafe, thereby preventing a G2 counter into WRus. If you really want to take Ukr, then throw all 3arm. But if you’re playing low luck (or at just feeling really lucky) and just want to strafe Ukr down to the ftr, I’d send 2. Much better chance of not taking or under-strafing.

[Imperious Leader]

Nuno : Son plus qu’évident votre utilisation fréquente du traducteur de Langue en ligne pour prendre la seule langue vous parlez (pas très bien je peux ajouter) et essayant de vous donner une présentation fausse de vos adresses de communication réelles a été notée.

Votre fondamentalement dans l’idiot sans vie…

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Nuno: Sein mehr als offensichtlich Ihr häufiger Gebrauch des On-Line-Sprachübersetzers, um die einzige Sprache zu nehmen, sprechen Sie (nicht sehr gut ich kann beitragen), und versuchend, Sie zu geben eine falsche Präsentation Ihrer wirklichen Nachrichtensachkenntnisse ist bemerkt worden.

Ihr grundsätzlich im Idioten ohne Leben…

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Nuno: Его более чем очевидный ваше частое использование интерактивного Языкового переводчика чтобы брать единственный язык Вы говорите (не очень хорошо, я могу добавить), и пытающийся давать Вас, ложное представление ваших фактических навыков коммуникации было отмечено.

Ваш в основном в идиоте без жизни…

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Nuno: Su más que obvio su uso frecuente del traductor de Lengua en línea para tomar la única lengua usted habla (no muy bien puedo añadir) e intentando darle una presentación falsa de sus habilidades de comunicación actuales ha sido notada.

Su básicamente en idiota sin vida…

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you see anybody can do this-

[frood]

I just used the Ukraine attack with good results, I may try it again I think.

[ajgundam5]

@Imperious:

Nuno : Son plus qu’évident votre utilisation fréquente du traducteur de Langue en ligne pour prendre la seule langue vous parlez (pas très bien je peux ajouter) et essayant de vous donner une présentation fausse de vos adresses de communication réelles a été notée.

Votre fondamentalement dans l’idiot sans vie…

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Nuno: Sein mehr als offensichtlich Ihr häufiger Gebrauch des On-Line-Sprachübersetzers, um die einzige Sprache zu nehmen, sprechen Sie (nicht sehr gut ich kann beitragen), und versuchend, Sie zu geben eine falsche Präsentation Ihrer wirklichen Nachrichtensachkenntnisse ist bemerkt worden.

Ihr grundsätzlich im Idioten ohne Leben…

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Nuno: Его более чем очевидный ваше частое использование интерактивного Языкового переводчика чтобы брать единственный язык Вы говорите (не очень хорошо, я могу добавить), и пытающийся давать Вас, ложное представление ваших фактических навыков коммуникации было отмечено.

Ваш в основном в идиоте без жизни…

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Nuno: Su más que obvio su uso frecuente del traductor de Lengua en línea para tomar la única lengua usted habla (no muy bien puedo añadir) e intentando darle una presentación falsa de sus habilidades de comunicación actuales ha sido notada.

Su básicamente en idiota sin vida…

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you see anybody can do this-

Sounds like Political Discussion to me …

[frood]

@Ender:

I just used the Ukraine attack with good results, I may try it again I think.

[frood]

@Ender:

@Ender:

I just used the Ukraine attack with good results, I may try it again I think.

[frood]

@Ender:

@Ender:

@Ender:

I just used the Ukraine attack with good results, I may try it again I think.

[frood]

Sorry, some of the above messages are off topic. Please ignore them.

I think, considering that the TripleA war club has a 51% win rate for the Axis with their bid system, it would be a good one to adopt.

[trihero]

It actually makes sense if the Axis is winning more games than the Allies; that means your bidding is correct. Whoever is bidding the Axis is supposed to be favored to win.

[Jennifer]

What’s their bidding system?

[frood]

@Cmdr:

What’s their bidding system?

IIRC, it’s a bid of 9, and only one unit per territory. This would be very workable for the typical bid here: 1 Inf to Libya, 1 Arm to Alg, and 1 IPC to Japan. It wouldn’t work well for attempting to stack Ukraine.

Then I guess you just flip a coin for sides…

[Nix]

Your forced to play as both axis and allies against one opponent.

2 games / opponent.  Otherwise it don´t count.

[Lucifer]

@Nix:

Your forced to play as both axis and allies against one opponent.

2 games / opponent.  Otherwise it don´t count.

Indeed. I think this is not a good system. A “very” good player will beat a newb without any bids also.
The bid is ok, with one unit pr. TT. The stats (51% axis victory) is also interesting and that means that with even players
and a one unit bid placement restriction, a bid should be about 8-9 ipc.
With your bidding rules (PBF), and the option to place 2 units pr. TT, the bid will be a little lower.
6-8 ipc.
My problem with the warclub ladder is that you have to play 2 games, I don’t see any good reason why they have this system.

I wonder what bids would be if there was no possibility of preplacement of units?
15-20?

[frood]

Agreed, I’d not want to play 2 games every time - it would really slow down tournaments. And if you have a bid that has resulted in very equal results (Axis 51% win rate), you don’t need to play both sides, since each side has a roughly equal chance.

So I think I may bid 9 from now on, instead of 8 as I have been doing. I may get the Allies a lot more, but then I will just get better at the Allies.

[Jennifer]

Could be interesting to require the second game, if any, to be reversed teams.  I’d say that the bid should probably be the same, but can be used differently.  Dunno.  Don’t really like that idea on the bids, but hate to see someone lose as the allies cause the other side got to auto bid 10 for an extra fighter or something.  And hate to have a side lose cause they needed 8 IPC bid, not 7. Etc.

Have to think on that.