AARHE: Phase 2: National victory conditions

[Guerrilla Guy]

I assume you are talking about when they attack Russia (then it would be Aircraft)?

I like that system too, But considering that the Russians really wanted “cities” I would make it that they earn points for each “City” instead of “Territory” they capture…

GG

[Imperious Leader]

Gen AlexanderPatch: currently your working on NA’s if you want to tackle national victory conditions that would be fine. just get it to a point where you feel it is finished. Your on the right track. You are also a self motivated person.

Adonai: we need to give you something to chew on as well… where do you think you fit in best? Of course you can just discuss anything, but we need to keep on a few topics at a time. Its very difficult to manage 14 different sections of rules. Perhaps you may want to look into techs and extrapolate our ideas on that and fine tune them?

[tekkyy]

I don’t know about the history
but hope we can do it without making it too complex

[Adonai]

I wouldn’t mind working on this system if Alexander Patch has his hands full, but I’ll go whever I’m needed. Sorry for jumping around the topics - there’s just so much to see, and so much to do  :-)

[Imperious Leader]

Well pick something that your interested in and go with that.

[Gen AlexanderPatch]

@Imperious:

Gen AlexanderPatch: currently your working on NA’s if you want to tackle national victory conditions that would be fine. j

No, let Adonai do it…I’m kinda busy with NA’s, it’s something I really enjoy. Keep comments to a minimum

[tekkyy]

@Gen:

Is this system too complicated? Is it historically inaccurate? Ideas, anyone

Yeah I think its complicated to count all these points.

But it fits nicely in our Minor Victory (ie. Time Limited) game mode !!!

So we’ll have
Total Victory (Complete Territory Control)
Major Victory (Victory City based)
Minor Victory (Point Based)

[Adonai]

Not only that, it could be used to determine the ‘MVP’ of a side.

[Imperious Leader]

WE allready have victory conditions in phase one. what we only need to consider is national voctory conditions. Phase one is complete
phase two or three will cover this optional form of victory.

[Adonai]

I’ve been working on this a bit. Below you’ll find what should be a table, but will come out as rows of numbers. I’ll likely create an account on a file-sharing service to upload it when everything is complete.

At the end of the game, players tally up points for each territory they control.
The points from each territory are added to the points gained for satisfying specific ‘national goals’

Every country can gain an equal number of points from territory control. The same goes for national goals.

Here’s a list of territories along with their abbreviation, in case the one you use is different.
*** Karelia S.S.R. (Len) -
*** Archangelsk (Arc) -
*** Caucasus (Cau) -
*** Russia (Mos) -
*** Evenki National Okrug (Eve) -
*** Novosibirsk (Nov) -
*** Yakut S.S.R. (Yak) -
*** Soviet Far East (Far) -
*** Buryatia S.S.R. (Bry) -
*** Kazakh S.S.R. (Kaz) -
*** Western Europe (Weu) -
*** Southern Europe (Seu) -
*** Germany (Ger) -
*** Norway (Nwy) -
*** Balkans (Blk) -
*** Eastern Europe (Eeu) -
*** Ukraine S.S.R. (Ukr) -
*** Belorussia (Bel) -
*** West Russia (Wru) -
*** Libya (Lib) -
*** Algeria (Alg) -
*** Eastern Canada (Eca) -
*** United Kingdom (Gbr) -
*** Gibraltar (Gib) -
*** Persia (Per) -
*** India (Ind) -
*** Trans-Jordan (Trj) -
*** Anglo Egypt (Egy) -
*** Union of South Africa (Saf) -
*** Australia (Aus) -
*** New Zealand (Nze) -
*** Western Canada (Wca) -
*** Manchuria (Man) -
*** Kwangtung (Kwa) -
*** French Indochina (Fic) -
*** Solomon Islands (Sol) -
*** New Guinea (Ngu) -
*** Borneo (Bor) -
*** East Indies (Sum) -
*** Philippine Islands (Phi) -
*** Caroline Islands (Car) -
*** Okinawa (Oki) -
*** Wake Island (Wak) -
*** Japan (Jpn) -
*** Eastern United States (Eus) -
*** Panama (Pan) -
*** West Indies (Cub) -
*** Venezuela (Ven) -
*** Peru (Bol) -
*** Argentina (Arg) -
*** Brazil (Bra) -
*** Greenland (Gre) -
*** South Eire (Sir) -
*** Spain (Spa) -
*** Switzerland (Swz) -
*** Sweden (Swe) -
*** Mongolia (Mng) -
*** China (Chi) -
*** Sinkiang (Sin) -
*** Himalaya (Him) -
*** Afghan (Afg) -
*** Turkey (Tur) -
*** Saudi Arabia (Sar) -
*** French West Africa (Waf) -
*** Rio de Oro (Rio) -
*** French Equatorial Africa (Feq) -
*** Italian East Africa (Eaf) -
*** Belgian Congo (Cng) -
*** Kenya (Ken) -
*** Angola (Ang) -
*** Mozambique (Moz) -
*** French Madagascar (Mad) -
*** Midway Island (Mid) -
*** Hawaiian Islands (Haw) -
*** Alaska (Ala) -
*** Western United States (Wus) -
*** Central United States (Cus) -
*** Mexico (Mex) -

Country Value to Germany Value to Japan Value to Italy Value to U.K. Value to USSR Value to USA  
Len 3 4  
Arc 1 1  
Cau 3 4  
Mos 5 5  
Eve 1 1 1  
Nov 1 1 1  
Yak 1 1 1  
Far 1 1 1  
Bry 1 1 1  
Kaz 1 1 1  
Weu 3 3 3 3  
Seu 5 3 3 3  
Ger 5 5 5 5  
Nwy 1 1 1 1  
Blk 5 3 2  
Eeu 1 3  
Ukr 2 3  
Bel 2 3  
Wru 2 3  
Lib 3 1  
Alg 1 1  
Eca 1 1 1  
Gbr 5 3 5  
Gib 2 1  
Per 1 2 1  
Ind 3 3 3  
Trj 1 2 1  
Egy 2 1  
Saf 1 1  
Aus 2 1  
Nze 1 1  
Wca 1  
Man 1 1 2 1  
Kwa 3 1 1  
Fic 1 1 1  
Sol 1  
Ngu 1 1 1  
Bor 1 1 1  
Sum 1 1 1  
Phi 2 1 2  
Car 1  
Oki 1 1 1  
Wak 1  
Jpn 5 3 3  
Eus 4 5  
Pan 1 1  
Mid 2 1  
Haw 2 1  
Ala 1 1  
Wus 1 4 5  
Cus 2 1  
Mex 1 1  
Bra 1  
Chi 2 1  
Sin 2 1  
Cub 1 1  
Bol 1 1  
Ven 1 1  
Arg 1 1  
Gre 1  
Sir 1  
Spa 2 2  
Swz 1 2  
Swe 1 1  
Mng 1 1  
Him  
Afg  
Tur 2  
Sar 1 1  
Waf 1 1  
Rio 1  
Feq 1 1  
Eaf 1 1  
Cng 1 1  
Ken 1 1  
Ang 1  
Moz 1  
Mad 1 1
Totals: G = 50, J = 50, I = 50, UK = 50, USSR = 50, USA = 50

[tekkyy]

Yeah the war goals would be be clearer to players if we only assign values to relevant territories.

You also need a sentence or two justitifications for each power.

I don’t think its neccessary to introduce abbreviations for territories though.

[Gen AlexanderPatch]

Yea and I think the values need to be tinkered with a little

[Guerrilla Guy]

I don’t think he got all of them correct… Adonai, you need to use a word processer, and send it via email…

[Imperious Leader]

Yes its great but email would be best. We ( actually Tekky)  can add it to the final and PDF the whole thing so it stays together. Put it in table form if its not too much trouble.

[Adonai]

It WAS in a table, but the forum chewed it up and spit it out like this  :-) I’ll change the abreviations to actual names

If you have any suggestions on value tinkering, please let me know. It was difficult to give Italy as many points as, say, Germany but I think it’s not to bad.

[tekkyy]

yeah its annoying to try to do pseudo-tables in the forum but not impossible  :|

[Imperious Leader]

It can be placed on that rapid share site in a table form as PDF. try it.

[Gen AlexanderPatch]

@Adonai:

If you have any suggestions on value tinkering, please let me know. It was difficult to give Italy as many points as, say, Germany but I think it’s not to bad.

For example the Caucasus was more important to Germany than Russia because of its oil fields
(Russia’s value to Germany is should be 4, while Caucasus is 5)

It can be placed on that rapid share site in a table form as PDF. try it.

I’m pretty sure if you upload it into a rapid share site it won’t “spit” it out like that, but rather swallow it and send it out whole  :-D

[tekkyy]

pdf…txt…html…up to you

[Imperious Leader]

TXT is good. the final version has to be PDF so people who view the document outside of this forum, dont get any funny ideas on ebay.