2015 League General Discussion Thread

  • '15 '14

    @Gamerman01:

    As far as people wanting to play people in the higher tiers because they think it’s better for their PPG either way -
    Isn’t that a good thing?

    The current system penalizes people who go for really easy wins.  I think that’s good.

    I still think people should not be penalized but rather being ±0 with those games.


  • Well, that’s a penalty too, because you get nothing for all that time

    If you want to play someone that much worse than you and don’t want a penalty, play them in the play boardgames section.


  • It’s also desirable to keep the system simple.  You should be able to easily recalculate your own PPG and know how it is calculated.  You should be able to easily calculate what your PPG would be if you played someone and would win/lose.  Right now these objectives are achieved.

    A low to mid tier 1 has to play a tier 4 to lose any PPG with a win.
    A high tier 1 to a low tier E has to play a tier 3 to lose any PPG with a win
    A high tier E or tier M would have to play a tier 2 to lose any PPG with a win.

    That’s about TWO AND A HALF tiers below you.  When such games are played, the better player virtually NEVER loses.  They are not competitive games.  I don’t think any change is necessary.


  • @Gamerman01:

    They are not competitive games.  I don’t think any change is necessary.

    And anticipating the protest that weak players won’t ever get to play strong players -
    Not always.  People like JWW and I play weak players sometimes in league even knowing it will lower our PPG.  We’re here to have fun.
    Second response - go play in the Play Boardgames section.  Players like JWW and I would be willing to do that when we’re not to busy.
    So the protest that weak players can’t play strong players simply isn’t true.  I rarely turn down a challenge.  If you’re a tier 2, 3, or 4, I will gladly kill you and enjoy every minute of it.


  • 2015 - it was Elite
    2016 - now we have Master
    2017 - Grand Master
    2018 - Super Human Master
    2019 - Elite Super Human Master
    2020 - God
    ….


  • btw, with the God tier, there can only be ONE player who achieves it, and if someone beats him, they are allowed to enter a spiritual championship called “heaven,” and the win is actually considered impossible so it gets recorded as a draw (because God is omnipotent duh). but if a person loses to him, he will be cast into hell, which means he will become Damned tier and his PPG will be reset to -666.

    @axis-dominion:

    2015 - it was Elite
    2016 - now we have Master
    2017 - Grand Master
    2018 - Super Human Master
    2019 - Elite Super Human Master
    2020 - God
    ….


  • That’s probably where all this is headed, yes.
    But for now, we just have MASTER  :-D


  • After Master level, we’re sure to get Master BlackBelt Dan 1,2,3…all the way to Grandmaster tier.  :lol:


  • The league gets better every year….


  • Whether or not this is a collective feeling of us scum of the Earth, but we’d like to experience the raping from an Expert or Grandmaster B or Grandpa D or whatever rank you 1% come up with next.  There are those out there willing to take us peons on, and I applaud them.
    In no way should they be penalized for it.  I’m not asking for a 40 bid (although after just having London Nuked, it’s not a bad idea….), but as I mentioned in this thread about a year or two ago, we should be given a chance to get our S&#T packed.

    Proposal
    A win by a level 1 or higher (ie. Expert, Master, Grandmaster B), can’t affect your PPG, but can be added to your win total.  I don’t know if you want to call it the charity column.  However, in the unlikely event you fcuk up and you lose, then you are TOTALLY held accountable to losing
    to someone on welfare.  I don’t want charity points for losing.  I think, for anyone to get a point for losing (and this is my personal belief on ANY game), you should only get the points after say, Round 10.  Why should anyone get a point for losing in RD 3 or 4 because of a catostrophic collapse of defense.  That’s not skill.  Hell, I lose like that half the time!  So if you are going to get points for losing, make it after RD 10…hell, if you feel froggy enough, if someone can take it to say RD 25, fcuk it, give them 1 pt less than the win…how many games do you see go that far?  Probably not many, but maybe some people would be inclined to see if they could last that long?

    #Tier4LivesMatter


  • I hear ya Mallery

    Play Boardgames section…

    Playing top players is a privilege, not a right.  And even if their PPG wouldn’t actually go down, it’s still a lot of time and energy to devote to a game that will not raise it…  And it shouldn’t raise it.  I know people talk ELO and all that, but I have some experience with that too.  I don’t think your rating should raise at all from beating someone a lot worse than you.  It proves nothing.

    Sorry, not going to go through a bunch of gymnastics to remove the built-in penalty for playing someone much, much weaker

  • '12

    #alltiersmatter


  • Congratulations on logging several wins so far this year, and reaching the next tier!  I think you’re there to stay!

    Cool thing about the tiers…… sense of accomplishment when you reach a higher level, right?

  • '19 '17

    @Gamerman01:

    Congratulations on logging several wins so far this year, and reaching the next tier!  I think you’re there to stay!

    Cool thing about the tiers…… sense of accomplishment when you reach a higher level, right?

    I guess we know why you are adding tiers… :wink:


  • just too much space above 4.50

    I’m getting plenty of sense of accomplishment with 5 and hopefully soon 6 playoff victories in 2 years  :wink:


  • Lets see if we can keep it at 5  :-P


  • It’s a hot game!
    If you weren’t aware, the championship game is being played daily right now, is in round 11, and is living up to the hype!  (Of which there was none)


  • Triple A still has limited instances of the naval retreat bug.  I posted a bug ticket on the appropriate website.

    I attacked a lone sub with destroyer/fighter and after round 1 it immediately rolled round 2 dice without prompting for retreat option.  Now normally in this kind of battle you would never want to retreat anyway, but I wonder what other instances (probably involving subs only) this will happen.

    You’ve been warned

  • '19 '17

    Hmm 91.1% Axis win ratio in tier E…

    For what it’s worth Gamer I think you are underestimating Axis-dominion or overestimating tier E. But I do agree that subjectiveness needs to be minimized in a ranking system. I don’t see a perfect solution to future PAAs though.

  • '19 '17

    And uh why is there one more Allied win than Axis loss in the grand total?

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