2015 League General Discussion Thread

[gamerman01]

I also looked at Tier 1 players’ wins against Tier 1 or Tier E

Tier 1 has 14 wins with Axis against Tier E and Tier 1, compared to only
6 wins using the Allies.

I’ll check tier 2 also - this is fascinating

[gamerman01]

Axis wins vs. Allied wins by Tier 2 players against Tier 2 or better

19-11

Folks, we are bidding too low to take Allies, on average….

[gamerman01]

So, 18-10 for tier E    1.8X
14-6 for tier 1          2.3X
19-11 for tier 2        1.7X

I think it’s amazing it’s that consistent.  You are almost twice as likely to win with the Axis even after allowing a what, 16-22 bid?

Maybe we should be starting to bid at 25 and bid up.
Player 1 - I’ll take the Axis and give you 25.
Player 2 - No, I’ll take the Axis and give you 26

[calvinhobbesliker]

Is there any good way to place a bid of around 20-25 to hinder Japan significantly? From what I’ve seen, most bids are used against Italy and maybe Germany.

[Seador]

2 Siberian bombers to sink the transport in z20?

[Adam514]

Better off bidding 1 inf to Yunnan and 1 fig to Russia to have a Yunnan stack before Japan’s first turn. NG inf, Burma mech and Amur art are effective as well.

[Adam514]

@Gamerman01:

I think the “new” victory conditions that allow the Axis to win in either theater is the culprit.  Without it, the Allies are favored heavily, but with it, the Axis are favored heavily (I mean with 0 bid).

It certainly makes a difference, but it’s a good change in terms of gameplay.

[calvinhobbesliker]

The Allies should have a victory condition that doesn’t take forever to achieve.

[gamerman01]

@calvinhobbesliker:

Is there any good way to place a bid of around 20-25 to hinder Japan significantly? From what I’ve seen, most bids are used against Italy and maybe Germany.

Well, Zhukov tried an entire bid of 18 against Japan in a playoff game, and it flopped

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

In this year’s playoffs, it’s Axis - 3, Allies - 2
without Bold vs. Ghost.  It’s looking real good for the Axis in the championship game  :-)

This year regular season, I come up with……
Axis - 18
Allies - 10
That’s current tier E, head to head

OK, this just in.  Ghost took Allies over Bold in the playoffs, so it’s

Axis - 3
Allies - 3
in this year’s playoffs

Axis - 18
Allies - 9
excluding the playoff games, in tier E.  So 2X

[gamerman01]

@Adam514:

@Gamerman01:

I think the “new” victory conditions that allow the Axis to win in either theater is the culprit.  Without it, the Allies are favored heavily, but with it, the Axis are favored heavily (I mean with 0 bid).

It certainly makes a difference, but it’s a good change in terms of gameplay.

Well, I know what you mean (you don’t like Allies focusing on 1 theater and getting away with it), but there’s another side to that coin.

Nothing sucks worse than winning in Europe and the Japs make a desperation attack on Hawaii and win, and you lose the game.  I know, you can guard against that and everything, but I’m not a total fan of the new victory conditions.

At least add 2 more VC’s in the Pacific and make the Axis get 8, just like in Europe where they need 8.  :x

[Adam514]

@Gamerman01:

@Adam514:

@Gamerman01:

I think the “new” victory conditions that allow the Axis to win in either theater is the culprit.  Without it, the Allies are favored heavily, but with it, the Axis are favored heavily (I mean with 0 bid).

It certainly makes a difference, but it’s a good change in terms of gameplay.

Well, I know what you mean (you don’t like Allies focusing on 1 theater and getting away with it), but there’s another side to that coin.

Nothing sucks worse than winning in Europe and the Japs make a desperation attack on Hawaii and win, and you lose the game.  I know, you can guard against that and everything, but I’m not a total fan of the new victory conditions.

At least add 2 more VC’s in the Pacific and make the Axis get 8, just like in Europe where they need 8.   :x

Yeah I know that better than most, Boldfresh used the German fast when Germany was being pressured heavily to secure India while Japan went for the remaining VC. So I’m not a total fan either, but it is necessary I think.

The more VCs you add the more it becomes a simple economy game, I’m not sure that that’s the way to go.

[gamerman01]

Bold is legendary for shifting his weight around the board rapidly and being unpredictable
I feel sorry for the guys playing him the first time who are unaware

[gamerman01]

As for economic game, that’s what you already have.  Except it’s the AXIS who can more often pull it off.  A lot of people already realize this - the Axis don’t need to make any push for VC’s anyway.  They can easily dominate the economics and just wait for the Allies to die.  That’s not good either.

[gamerman01]

I don’t think I’ve ever taken Moscow more than maybe twice.  So you don’t have a game where the Axis need to be urgent or take over victory cities or anything.  They just need middle east money and a lot of Russian and Chinese money, the money islands, and the Allies shrivel up and die.

[Adam514]

Yeah VC wins often become a last resort for the Axis unfortunately, but the Allies need to cover it the whole game just in case.

[666]

@Gamerman01:

OK, this just in.  Ghost took Allies over Bold in the playoffs, so it’s

Axis - 3
Allies - 3
in this year’s playoffs

well this give’s me hope…thanks for all of this Gamerman…A 21 bid is your breakeven? Wow I don’t think I have ever given someone so much but I have gotten as much and lost too!

Perhaps I need to refine my allies game and of course get the right bid, smart placement and good dice, LOL

[gamerman01]

No, 21 is not my breakeven -

I gave Ghost 21 even though he is an allied specialist and I don’t think his Axis game is as strong as his Allied.  So I gave him less than I would to someone else  :-)

[gamerman01]

And it is interesting to note, that you are 7-2 as Axis, and 2-2 as Allies
Also, you have defeated some stronger opponents as Axis, but not as Allies
At a glance, I think you, like probably pretty much all of us, are bidding too low

[666]

@Gamerman01:

And it is interesting to note, that you are 7-2 as Axis, and 2-2 as Allies
Also, you have defeated some stronger opponents as Axis, but not as Allies
At a glance, I think you, like probably pretty much all of us, are bidding too low

you are probably correct….it’s difficult for me to let someone get the allies at +20…I guess I should “let it go”.