7.2 Rules question

[ghr2]

So, Germany attacking Poland or Baltic states at any time results in a state of war with the Soviet Union.

[ghr2]

@Tigerman77:

@SS:

@ghr2:

A few other things I have been asked:

• Can the UK build out of Far East Command and Anzac Factories?  I think not, but I want to be sure.

• Can Germany attack Baltic States/East Poland turn 2 if Russia did not take them?  I think yes.

• Can Germany collect money from a UK convoy zone?  This counts for all situations, not just G & UK.

• Is it true that the allies cannot attack strict neutrals first with the exception of Russia?

• Is it safe to assume that Germany can build out of the factories that start in the Minor-Axis countries, but only on the turn(s) after the turn the country was activated?

1. is yes. Uk can buy and place X amount of units in S.A., Calcutta, and Sydney.

2. if germany attacks Baltic state or eastern poland it is a decleration of war on Russia

3. No….convoy zones that are taken only subtract income from the original owner

4. yes…russia and Comm china are the only Allies that can attack Strict Neutrals

5. For Germany to build units out of Minor Axis territories they must have their own IC.

Tigerman,  have game Sunday. can you confirm these questions please ?

[sophiedog2]

@SS:

No.  We play where Germany has to buy there own factory. If Germany buys a factory then there will be 2 factories on territory. Put a country token under each factory so you know which one is for minor axis and Germany.

is this official

[General 6 Stars]

Look above your post. Answers are there. We will be playing all these rules in game.

[Tigerman77]

@ghr2:

@Tigerman77:

@SS:

@ghr2:

A few other things I have been asked:

• Can the UK build out of Far East Command and Anzac Factories?  I think not, but I want to be sure.

• Can Germany attack Baltic States/East Poland turn 2 if Russia did not take them?  I think yes.

• Can Germany collect money from a UK convoy zone?  This counts for all situations, not just G & UK.

• Is it true that the allies cannot attack strict neutrals first with the exception of Russia?

• Is it safe to assume that Germany can build out of the factories that start in the Minor-Axis countries, but only on the turn(s) after the turn the country was activated?

1. is yes. Uk can buy and place X amount of units in S.A., Calcutta, and Sydney.

2. if germany attacks Baltic state or eastern poland it is a decleration of war on Russia

3. No….convoy zones that are taken only subtract income from the original owner

4. yes…russia and Comm china are the only Allies that can attack Strict Neutrals

5. For Germany to build units out of Minor Axis territories they must have their own IC.

Tigerman,  have game Sunday. can you confirm these questions please ?

[Tigerman77]

@sophiedog2:

@SS:

No.  We play where Germany has to buy there own factory. If Germany buys a factory then there will be 2 factories on territory. Put a country token under each factory so you know which one is for minor axis and Germany.

is this official

Page 24,  1. Germany,  3rd bullet states that Germany is allowed to build a minor or major factory on any minor axis territory that meets IC requirements.

[General 6 Stars]

@SS:

@ghr2:

A few other things I have been asked:

• Can the UK build out of Far East Command and Anzac Factories?  I think not, but I want to be sure.

Page 26  no.5    Says they can[/font)

[list]* Is it true that the allies cannot attack strict neutrals first with the exception of Russia?

Yes  Russia and Comm China only

• Is it safe to assume that Germany can build out of the factories that start in the Minor-Axis countries, but only on the turn(s) after the turn the country was activated?

No  They have to build there own Factory. The minor factorys are there to show that the minors can build.

[General 6 Stars]

:-D

[ghr2]

@Tigerman77:

@ghr2:

@Tigerman77:

@SS:

@ghr2:

A few other things I have been asked:

• Can the UK build out of Far East Command and Anzac Factories?  I think not, but I want to be sure.

• Can Germany attack Baltic States/East Poland turn 2 if Russia did not take them?  I think yes.

• Can Germany collect money from a UK convoy zone?  This counts for all situations, not just G & UK.

• Is it true that the allies cannot attack strict neutrals first with the exception of Russia?

• Is it safe to assume that Germany can build out of the factories that start in the Minor-Axis countries, but only on the turn(s) after the turn the country was activated?

1. is yes. Uk can buy and place X amount of units in S.A., Calcutta, and Sydney.

2. if germany attacks Baltic state or eastern poland it is a decleration of war on Russia

3. No….convoy zones that are taken only subtract income from the original owner

4. yes…russia and Comm china are the only Allies that can attack Strict Neutrals

5. For Germany to build units out of Minor Axis territories they must have their own IC.

Tigerman,  have game Sunday. can you confirm these questions please ?

[General 6 Stars]

Can planes fly over neutrals and/or strict neutrals?  Have game going on and somebody asked.

On japans sneak attack do the Naval bases and Forts get there normal defends?

[ghr2]

@SS:

Can planes fly over neutrals and/or strict neutrals?  Have game going on and somebody asked.

On japans sneak attack do the Naval bases and Forts get there normal defends?

like AA n such.

[Warwick]

I think the addition of factories to the Balkans is a mistake. I think it is better if you treat the Axis Minors like the Chinese and say they can place no more than 3 units per turn. The addition of factories raises too many questions. For instance can the Axis invade a Minor and capture it? I would much rather attack Helsinki and capture a Minor factory I can build at in the North than have the extra INF a turn. It also adds 4 factories that can be captured by the Allies only. It just raises too more issues than it solves.

[General 6 Stars]

We didn’t have any issues with it. Just put country token under axis minor factory and if captured, took the factory away.

[Tigerman77]

Major IC is reduced to a minor if captured. A Minor IC should be destroyed.  This will be put in the rules. Sorry for the confusion.

The only reason I put the Minor IC on the setups for the minor axis was because people had questions on naval builds.  The rules still state that each minor axis can only build 3 units per turn. If the territory the  IC is in is captures then the IC is destroyed.

[Warwick]

Wow that is a big change as all my Russian plans involve 3 units per turn in Warsaw. Also doesn’t this mean the minor factory in Paris is destroyed on recapture leaving France liberated, collecting IPC and no factory.

[sophiedog2]

can the new lend lease go to france?Holland? Are minor industrial complexes destroyed if they are liberated?

[General 6 Stars]

Seems like Tigermans answer is just for the axis minors and Germany.

[rohr94]

liberating and capturing territories are very different things.  thus the capture of paris by an allied player would not destroy the minor factory.  the problem that would arise from the paris minor, is if paris is liberated but the allies are unable to hold it and the axis recapture it then would the minor be destroyed?  and is the minor is warsaw destroyed when germany captures it on the first turn?  maybe a more realistic option would be to capture the factories with full damage markers that the capturer has to deal with.

[Warwick]

Liberation and capture are not very different. In fact in the rules there is single paragraph explaining liberation and an assumption as to the definition of capture. As the game is written currently liberation means a special rule regarding who gets the IPCs in all other respects it is the same as capture. In fact in the case of ICs the rules specifically state the IC is captured and not ‘liberated’. Page 30 - Section 1 - Industrial Facility - “If an enemy captures a territory containing an IC, that IC is captured.” All spaces are captured from the enemy. If the space originally belonged to an ally still in possession of its capitol then the ally gains the IPC. That is the only current definition of liberation. It can be expanded but that is what there is.

What if Russia takes Helsinki and the Germans take it back. Does Finland need to wait 4 turns until it rebuilds its minor IC or does one just appear? Since it is legal to have 2 factories in one location the FEC player can now build a 2nd minor factory in Calcutta. A strict reading of the rules supports this conclusion as the base criteria for a factory build is “an original territory with sufficient production level.”  No mention of the presence of a factory making the build illegal. It has been a general assumption that one factory per zone was the limit but nothing in the rules support that position. I am certain the intent is one factory per area it is not recorded in the rules and introducing locations where multiple factories can exist really muddies the water.

If the question of how minors produced navy started this how about the question of how did France build its navy? or Russia? These are major powers that have no ability to build ships.

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Ok I have taken my inner rules lawyer out behind the barn and beaten him with a stick. I am just going to focus on the great game that we have and not worry about the details. They will get straightened out eventually. :)

[rohr94]

i also agree that sometimes people read to much into the rules, just use common sense.  in the case of minors building navy, if they can build troops without a factory, and a navy requires both a naval base and a factory then it stands to reason that for a minor power to build naval units they would only require a naval base.  i dont quite see the strategy for building naval units with minors.  it would require many turns of saved income just to build transports and to what avail.  as for industrial complexes being destroyed, i think reducing majors is important for game balance, but the destruction of minors doesn’t make much sense to me.  again i think gaining control of a minor with max damage would make more sense.  also could someone point me to the actual section of the rule book where it says minors are destroyed?  i didnt see it under facilities or capturing a territory.