14L G40 DeadTom (Axis) vs MagicQ (Allies+13) LL

[MagicQ]

When I say DOW neutrals, I mean to attack some neutral land units. It doesn’t make sense if you DOW on neutrals and not attack them. I am not sure about same turn but I am pretty sure if USA attacks, all neutrals turn, then UK can fly across any neutrals land to attack.

[DeadTom]

@Boldfresh:

@DeadTom:

The DOW on true neutrals is just a TripleA thing, right? Does that have any affect at all if you DOW on a prior turn, but don’t actually attack anything? If you attack a territory on an earlier turn, can you fly over it freely?

tripleA handles the neutrals completely wrong - don’t trust anything it does.  you can only fly over a neutral territory that you actually attacked.  on the turn you attack any neutral, the rest of the neutrals, for all intents and purposes i believe, become like pro-the other side-neutrals.  the one(s) you actually attack become friendly to the other side, meaning they can land aircraft there immediately, unless you took the territory of course.

[DeadTom]

The neutral status wouldn’t change. It’s still a pro-axis neutral if you attack it previously, subject to all the limitations that that implies. You can’t fly over pro-axis neutrals even if you had previously attacked them and failed.

[MagicQ]

Are you sure?

check this

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30776.15

[DeadTom]

It seems that that discussion is about Mongolia which has different rules.

[MagicQ]

c) You CAN fly over a neutral that has been attacked previously, because it is actually no longer a neutral even if it was not conquered.  It has joined the opposing side.  You can do this in the non-combat move immediately following the attack.

Sounds like if I attack Afganistan with USA fig in moscow, then UK air can fly over no matter what.

[MagicQ]

Bold are saying the same thing.

[DeadTom]

Ok, sorry, I’m not that familiar with the rules. That makes sense.

[DeadTom]

Ok, you are right. I’ll post Japan this evening when I’m home from work.

[MagicQ]

I was not familiar too. Actually I have never attacked neutrals before. This could be first time.  :-)

[DeadTom]

It should be fun  :-D

This game is getting a little crazy  :mrgreen:

[DeadTom]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Guinea to Dutch New Guinea
                  Japanese take Dutch New Guinea from ANZAC
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Shan State to 37 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 armour moved from Hunan to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
            1 armour moved from Kweichow to Anhwe

[DeadTom]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Guinea to Dutch New Guinea
                  Japanese take Dutch New Guinea from ANZAC
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Shan State to 37 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 armour moved from Hunan to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
            1 armour moved from Kweichow to Anhwe

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Queensland
            Battle in 46 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese win, taking Queensland from ANZAC with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 4 transports moved from 34 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone
            3 artilleries, 5 infantry and 4 transports moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from New Guinea to Philippines
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to India
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to India
            1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Manchuria
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Manchuria
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Jehol
            4 mech_infantrys moved from Hunan to Anhwe
            2 infantry moved from Hunan to Kiangsi
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Philippines
            1 infantry moved from Shan State to French Indo China

Place Units - Japanese
            3 aaGuns placed in India
            3 infantry placed in Malaya
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in French Indo China
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Japan
            Japanese undo move 5.
            Japanese undo move 3.
            3 artilleries placed in French Indo China
            1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 61 PUs; end with 61 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs

[MagicQ]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Southern France
            1 armour moved from Karelia to Vyborg
                  Russians take Vyborg from Germans
            1 armour moved from Vyborg to Finland
            1 destroyer moved from 29 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from New Zealand to 46 Sea Zone

[MagicQ]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Southern France
            1 armour moved from Karelia to Vyborg
                  Russians take Vyborg from Germans
            1 armour moved from Vyborg to Finland
            1 destroyer moved from 29 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from New Zealand to 46 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 46 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Southern France
                Americans attack with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Americans win, taking Southern France from Germans with 3 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 102 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 102 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 46 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to New South Wales
            2 fighters moved from 29 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Line Islands to 29 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 29 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 62 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 28 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 29 Sea Zone to Line Islands
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to 64 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 29 Sea Zone to Line Islands
            3 fighters moved from Southeast Mexico to 29 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 29 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 artillery, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States
            1 carrier, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 60 PUs; end with 60 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 80 PUs

[MagicQ]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan
                  Chinese take Hunan from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
                  Chinese take Kweichow from Japanese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            16 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow

Place Units - Chinese
            3 infantry placed in Kweichow

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 11 PUs; end with 13 PUs total

[MagicQ]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Holland Belgium
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            2 bombers, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Volgograd to 99 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Finland to Novgorod
                  Russians take Novgorod from Germans
            1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

[MagicQ]

Scramble sz99?

[DeadTom]

No scramble.

[MagicQ]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Holland Belgium
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            2 bombers, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Volgograd to 99 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Finland to Novgorod
                  Russians take Novgorod from Germans
            1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                British attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 2 infantry
                British win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                British attack with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
                Germans defend with 1 carrier, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports; Italians defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 transports
                British win with 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 57
                Casualties for Germans: 1 carrier, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 transports

Non Combat Move - British
            2 bombers moved from 99 Sea Zone to Russia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Russia
            4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 99 Sea Zone to Iraq
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
            2 bombers moved from Union of South Africa to Iraq
            3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter moved from Finland to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 transports moved from 79 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Finland to United Kingdom
            2 mech_infantrys moved from West India to Turkmenistan
            1 armour moved from West India to Turkmenistan
            1 mech_infantry moved from West India to Turkmenistan

Place Units - British
            1 submarine placed in 110 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter and 5 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific