14L G40 DeadTom (Axis) vs MagicQ (Allies+13) LL

[MagicQ]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux

Turn Complete - French

[DeadTom]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern France
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
                  Germans take Caucasus from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
                  Germans take Tambov from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Archangel
                  Germans take Archangel from Russians
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Smolensk

[DeadTom]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern France
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
                  Germans take Caucasus from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
                  Germans take Tambov from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Archangel
                  Germans take Archangel from Russians
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Smolensk

Combat - Germans
            Germans creates battle in territory 97 Sea Zone
            Battle in Southern France
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking 97 Sea Zone from British, taking Southern France from British with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Ukraine
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Smolensk
                Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Syria
            1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Syria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to 99 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 carrier moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Western Germany
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            10 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Western Germany
            14 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 bomber moved from Smolensk to Eastern Poland
            3 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in 112 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 48 PUs; end with 49 PUs total
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs

[MagicQ]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 airfield and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Rostov
            2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
            2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to Caucasus

[MagicQ]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 airfield and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Rostov
            2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
            2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to Caucasus

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Tambov
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Tambov from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Caucasus
                Russians attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Rostov
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Rostov from Italians with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter moved from Rostov to Eastern Persia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Caucasus to Eastern Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Eastern Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Kansu to Eastern Persia
            2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Samara
            6 infantry moved from Kansu to Shensi
            4 infantry moved from Central Mongolia to Buyant-Uhaa
            2 infantry moved from Timguska to Novosibirsk
            4 armour and 10 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Samara
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            5 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
            2 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
            4 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

Place Units - Russians
            1 airfield placed in Volgograd
            4 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 25 PUs total
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 28 PUs

[DeadTom]

What’s the rule on neutrals? Can you fly over them as long as you attack them on the same turn?

[MagicQ]

I think once I DOW neutrals I can fly over but I am not too sure.

[DeadTom]

@Boldfresh:

@DeadTom:

I’m not sure if this is where to ask, but can I get a rules clarification?

Under what circumstances can you fly over neutrals? Can you fly over in combat move if you attack them the same turn?

You cannot fly over and past them in combat.  You can only fly over and past them in noncom, and only if you attacked the specific territory you want to fly over.  The planes flying over need not have been part of the attack.  Clear?

Were you aware of this?

[MagicQ]

What if USA DOW neutrals, can UK fly across to attack?

[DeadTom]

I’ll ask. If you need to, you can change your Russia turn.

[DeadTom]

I’m waiting for an answer in the rules thread, but I’m pretty sure the DOW on true neutrals is just a TripleA mechanic and is not part of the actual rules. You can change Russia’s turn if you have to, but your purchase and combats that you already rolled for must remain the same.

[MagicQ]

When I say DOW neutrals, I mean to attack some neutral land units. It doesn’t make sense if you DOW on neutrals and not attack them. I am not sure about same turn but I am pretty sure if USA attacks, all neutrals turn, then UK can fly across any neutrals land to attack.

[DeadTom]

@Boldfresh:

@DeadTom:

The DOW on true neutrals is just a TripleA thing, right? Does that have any affect at all if you DOW on a prior turn, but don’t actually attack anything? If you attack a territory on an earlier turn, can you fly over it freely?

tripleA handles the neutrals completely wrong - don’t trust anything it does.  you can only fly over a neutral territory that you actually attacked.  on the turn you attack any neutral, the rest of the neutrals, for all intents and purposes i believe, become like pro-the other side-neutrals.  the one(s) you actually attack become friendly to the other side, meaning they can land aircraft there immediately, unless you took the territory of course.

[DeadTom]

The neutral status wouldn’t change. It’s still a pro-axis neutral if you attack it previously, subject to all the limitations that that implies. You can’t fly over pro-axis neutrals even if you had previously attacked them and failed.

[MagicQ]

Are you sure?

check this

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30776.15

[DeadTom]

It seems that that discussion is about Mongolia which has different rules.

[MagicQ]

c) You CAN fly over a neutral that has been attacked previously, because it is actually no longer a neutral even if it was not conquered.  It has joined the opposing side.  You can do this in the non-combat move immediately following the attack.

Sounds like if I attack Afganistan with USA fig in moscow, then UK air can fly over no matter what.

[MagicQ]

Bold are saying the same thing.

[DeadTom]

Ok, sorry, I’m not that familiar with the rules. That makes sense.

[DeadTom]

Ok, you are right. I’ll post Japan this evening when I’m home from work.