I’m just how to get a KJF first strategy to work, especially since my teammate here at college wants to try a successful one. But the two big problems that I see are actually cracking Japan, since it is harder to stop it capital, and how Russia can deal with the massive behemoth Germany baring down on it.
Here’s hoping for some critique of ideas and some suggestions (also note, no bid to the axis)Â (my teammate and I will be both playing Russia, I’ll have Britain, and he’ll have the US)Â I’m also assuming Germany r1, specifically since that is what the Germany player usually does.
Russia building 4 inf/3 art, I like having a little offensive punch thinking just attacking West Russia, using 2 inf, 1ftr Karelia, 3 inf, 1arm Archangel, 3 inf, 1 art, 2 arm moscow, and 1 at least 1 art caucasus. Moving 6 inf into Buryatia, 2 yakut, 2 sinkang, 2 persia. Germany will probably take Anglo, Karelia, and send 3-4 fighters and sub against the UK battleship.
The UK will be placing a IC in India, trying to hit japanese sub, and probably hitting the sz 59 transport with the fighter. British bomber will be going to Siankang. The US will be building an IC in Sinkang however, we not sure on how much should the US put in Navy against Japan. I’m hoping to convince my teammate to go after the islands with his fleet when it is built up enough.
My questions I have are
1)Â Do I write off Africa to Germans, and with that much more IPC to Germany, can Russia with less than half of Britain IPCs helping, hold off Germany until Japan is cracked?
2) What should I do with my indian fleet, try to help the americans?
3) Does America send anything against Germany?Thanks for the help.
[/quoteIf you want KJF done right, you had better remember the secret herbs and spices.
I’m gonna ask you a coupla dumbass questions. Then I’m gonna give a lot of smart-ass answers. Tee heez. No, srsly, these comments should help. Maybe. If you dare to think about what I’m writing.
Let us SAY that you are playing rock paper scissors.
Now let us say that you have DECIDED for some wacky reason that players will NOT SHOW THEIR HANDS SIMULTANEOUSLY. One player shows, then the other.
To make things REALLY wacky, the second player doesn’t even have to decide what he has to choose until AFTER he sees what the first player chose.
Wow, this sounds like a hell of an easy game, doesn’t it?
Now, HERES THE TRICKY PART.
Your opponent wants YOU to decide WHO GOES FIRST.
WHAT DO YOU DO?
THINK HARD.
I have just answered all your questions. Mostly kind of sort of.
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–1) Do I write off Africa to Germans, and with that much more IPC to Germany, can Russia with less than half of Britain IPCs helping, hold off Germany until Japan is cracked?
Answer: If the Germans really want Africa, let 'em have it. If you eat up Europe while the Germans eat up Africa - you win!
What should I do with my indian fleet, try to help the americans?Answer: As opposed to, say, helping the mighty Russian fleet? No, just kidding. Seriously, you should base your moves with the Indian fleet on the German move. If it looks like you’ll want to KJF, you might want to unify the UK fleets. If you want to KGF, you might want to suicide the UK fleet.
Does America send anything against Germany?Answer: Really depends on what Germany bought. If Germany looks ripe for a KGF, go for it.
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Rule question
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The rules say that countries can not place their troops at an allies industrial complex unless that country has lost its capital. For example on Germany’s turn it takes Moscow but leaves Caucasus in the hands of the Russians, can Britian then place troops at the industrial complex in Caucasus on the next turn? And if not then what exactly does this rule mean? Thanks for any help.
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i think not (it is still “russian”), but if the uk took it from germany then on subsequent turns they could place up to 4 unit there until moscow was liberated, at that point it would revert to russian control.
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I don’t think that’s even right. Since hte UK is just “liberating” the territory from the Germans, it is now technically the Russians. Even though they can’t build anything if their capital is taken, the territory is still theirs.
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Wow,
I’m glad someone asks this question.
I knew I read it somewhere, but didn’t know exactly where I read it…
I even wondered if I read it correctly or if I only remembered it the way you stated it.
I can’t give an explanation to who, when, where, what,
so, I’m VERY curious, too :-)If I may give my own (modest) way of thinking about it:
I think it is like you suggest, hudson!!!
this would give allies a good possibility to recapture moscow.
as would it give the axis a good possible swing when they capture Berlin… -
OK, the rule is this…
Using the example: russia falling to Germany…
UK and USA can NOT use the Caucuses IC if Russia has forces in Caucuses OR even if UK and/or USA have forces there.
However, IF Germany takes Caucuses, and UK or USA liberates Caucuses, then the nation that liberated Caucuses from Germany DOES get to use the IC AND collect income from it… so long as Moscow is enemy controlled.
Once Moscow is liberated, any and all Russian territory that was liberated from Germany by US and UK forces immediately reverts to Russia control… no more builds, no more income.
The key points are that:
The capital must be enemy controlled
The territory (with or without IC) must be taken FROM the enemy in order for an ally to use it.So… if Russia falls, the UK can;t just walk in to Russian held Caucuses from Persia and take control… even if there are NO Russia forces in Caucuses.
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sounds like switch and i are in agreement on this (it makes logical sense as well)
i love being validated :mrgreen:
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It also matches with the rules… extrapolting the blackletter rules for PAYMENT for an allied territory when the ally capital is enemy controlled… you control the territory and get paid for it, so the infrastructure there is YOURS as well until the capital of the ally that originally owned it is liberated.
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:lol:
I don’t know how you do it, ncsc, but again you managed to explain things so easily and structured!When I read your post, I immediately corrected my modest way of thinking and I am now a strong believer of your clarification of the rules!
thx!
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Actually, we don’t need to extrapolate. From the rules themselves, specifically page 18 (top of right hand column).
If the original controller’s capital is in enemy hands when you liberate
the territory, you collect income for the newly captured territory and
can use any industrial complex there until the original controller’s
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Thanks James.
I knew there was a reason that I never even thought it was an issue :-)
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yet still, I knew I read it somewhere, so I didn’t remember exactly where I read it…
Since you guys were talking about it anyway, you refreshed my memory on the topic.
So, thanx! -
turns out I’ve been playing wrong all this time. Sometimes those little details get past me even after having played for months now, and having a good grasp on the rules.
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IN terms of putting an AC down in the baltic and being able to put fighters on it right after, am I allowed to take fighters that have already seen combat and put them on teh AC, as long as they are near the baltic? For exapmle, if i take the fighters in France and Germany and attack the UK battleship and then land them back in Germany, and then put down the AC, can I still put those fighters on teh AC? Because it would really suck to just put down the AC with no fighters and then ahve the UK come and blow them all to pieces. Does everyone know what I mean?
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wow, I never knew LHTR had this rule modified…
anyway, I play the OM-way -
Just some questions
1. What is OM?
2. Whar is LHRT?
3. where do i find these different rules?
4. which is mostly used?
5. are any of these official rules from avalon hill?Regards,
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OM is “Operations Manual”, the printed rules that come with the Avalon Hill version of Axis and Alllies
LHRT is Larry Harris (the developer of the Revised game) Tournament Rules. Version 1.3 is in the works (clarifying multi-national naval forces rules) and you can find links to LHRT (the most common verson of the rules for use in online play) by searching these forums for either LHRT or Larry Harris
Avalon Hill’s official rules are the OM as modfied by their online postings of manual erata (corrections of things like the OM saying that SBR damage is a roll of 1d6, or the PC value of the territory bombed, whichever is GREATER)
Most folks use LHRT for online play, since those are the msot clear, have the fewest amiguities, and are widely accepted since they come from the game designer.
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Thanks a lot!
-Daniel Malus
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That Lysdexia can be annoying at times :-P
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