1942.2 total vic. w/ int: Commando Brado (Axis) vs Zombie69 (Allies + 8)

[Zombie69]

Your turn then.

[Commando Brado]

Sorry. Been busy.

[Commando Brado]

Need to know if your Russian sub in SZ7 will fight or submerge? I’m attacking w/2 Subs, 1 CC & 2 FTR’s.

[Zombie69]

Submerge.

[Commando Brado]

Map…

[Commando Brado]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 4 artilleries, 1 bomber and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 submarine moved from 9 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 9 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 5 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 5 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 5 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Northwestern Europe to 7 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia S.S.R.
                  Germans take Karelia S.S.R. from Russians
            1 battleship moved from 15 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Italy to 15 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 15 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 14 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from Germany to 14 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to Russia

Combat - Germans
            Strategic bombing raid in Russia
                    AA fire in Russia :  0/1 hits
                Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory
                Bombing raid in Russia causes 4 damage total.
            Battle in 7 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 2 submarines
                Russians defend with 1 submarine; British defend with 1 battleship and 1 transport
                1 submarine owned by the Russians Submerged
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    1 battleship owned by the British lost in 7 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 1 cruiser and 2 fighters in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 7 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 transport
            Battle in 11 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 submarines
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 2 transports
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 11 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 transports in 11 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 11 Sea Zone
                    2 transports owned by the Americans lost in 11 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 11 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                Germans win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 22
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 2 transports
            Battle in 14 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 fighter and 1 transport
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 fighter and 1 transport in 14 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser in 14 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 14 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
            Battle in Gibraltar

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belorussia
            1 armour moved from Baltic States to Belorussia
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Belorussia
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Belorussia
            1 armour moved from Poland to Belorussia
            1 artillery moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
            1 armour moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
            1 armour moved from Bulgaria Romania to Belorussia
            1 armour moved from Germany to Belorussia
            1 armour moved from Germany to Belorussia
            1 infantry moved from Bulgaria Romania to Ukraine S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Bulgaria Romania to Poland
            1 fighter moved from Poland to Belorussia
            1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
            1 fighter moved from Bulgaria Romania to Belorussia
            1 artillery moved from Southern Europe to Bulgaria Romania
            1 infantry moved from Southern Europe to Bulgaria Romania
            1 aaGun moved from Italy to Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Germany to Poland
            1 armour moved from Italy to Poland
            1 armour moved from France to Poland
            1 armour moved from France to Poland
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            1 armour moved from Northwestern Europe to France
            1 infantry moved from Northwestern Europe to France
            1 infantry moved from Germany to France
            1 infantry moved from Germany to 5 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Germany to 5 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 14 Sea Zone to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            1 armour moved from Libya to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Belorussia

Place Units - Germans
            4 artilleries, 1 bomber and 4 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 42 PUs total

Territory Summary for Germans :

5 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    7 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 2 submarines
    11 Sea Zone : 2 submarines
    14 Sea Zone : 1 battleship and 1 transport
    Algeria : 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Belorussia : 6 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 6 infantry
    Bulgaria Romania : 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Finland : 4 infantry
    France : 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 3 infantry
    Germany : 1 aaGun, 4 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 4 infantry
    Gibraltar : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Italy : 1 factory
    Karelia S.S.R. : 1 flag, 1 factory and 1 infantry
    Libya : 1 infantry
    Norway : 2 fighters and 2 infantry
    Poland : 1 aaGun, 3 armour and 1 infantry
    Ukraine S.S.R. : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 24 / 26
    Germans : 41 / 42
    British : 31 / 31
    Japanese : 30 / 30
    Americans : 42 / 42

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 2 times
            2 was rolled 1 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 5 times
            5 was rolled 2 times
            6 was rolled 3 times
        Average roll : 3.867
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.786
        Standard Deviation : 0.886
        Total rolls : 15

Null / Other
            4 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 4.000
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

Germans Combat
            1 was rolled 2 times
            2 was rolled 1 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 3 times
            5 was rolled 2 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3.455
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.700
        Standard Deviation : 0.837
        Total rolls : 11

British Combat
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 6.000
        Median : 6.000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

Russians Combat
            4 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 4.000
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

Americans Combat
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 6.000
        Median : 6.000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

[Zombie69]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 14 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 17 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Libya
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Libya
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 7 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters; Russians loiter and taunt with
                Germans defend with 1 cruiser and 2 submarines

[Zombie69]

I need your OOL for combat in SZ 7.

[Commando Brado]

Subs first, cruiser last.

[Zombie69]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 14 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 17 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Libya
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Libya
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 7 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters; Russians loiter and taunt with
                Germans defend with 1 cruiser and 2 submarines
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 7 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 7 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 7 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 7 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 7 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in 7 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 7 Sea Zone, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the British lost in 7 Sea Zone
                retreated to 7 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Battle in 14 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 14 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 transport in 14 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 14 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber in 14 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 transport in 14 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 bomber owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in 14 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship
                Casualties for British: 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
            Battle in 61 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter in 61 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 61 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter in 61 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 61 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 61 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for British: 1 fighter
            Battle in Libya
                British attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Libya, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Libya, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Libya
                British win, taking Libya from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Eastern Canada to Eastern United States
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Libya to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Burma to India
            1 infantry moved from Western Australia to Eastern Australia
            1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Persia to India

Place Units - British
            3 infantry placed in India
            1 bomber and 1 fighter placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs total

Territory Summary for British :

11 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    33 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 transport
    41 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport
    Belgian Congo : 1 infantry
    Eastern Australia : 3 infantry
    Eastern United States : 1 armour
    Egypt : 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    India : 1 aaGun, 1 factory and 8 infantry
    Libya : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 factory, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
    Western Canada : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 24 / 26
    Germans : 40 / 42
    British : 32 / 32
    Japanese : 30 / 30
    Americans : 42 / 42

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 2 times
            2 was rolled 6 times
            3 was rolled 4 times
            4 was rolled 5 times
            5 was rolled 5 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 3.741
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.423
        Standard Deviation : 0.650
        Total rolls : 27

Japanese Combat
            2 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3.000
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 2.000
        Standard Deviation : 1.414
        Total rolls : 2

Germans Combat
            2 was rolled 3 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 3.778
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.875
        Standard Deviation : 0.935
        Total rolls : 9

British Combat
            1 was rolled 2 times
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 3 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 4 times
            6 was rolled 3 times
        Average roll : 3.812
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.400
        Standard Deviation : 0.632
        Total rolls : 16

[Zombie69]

Well, so far after three turns I’ve had one battle go my way: the 2 INF + 1 FGT managed to kill the 1 INF in Lybia without a loss. Your two transports survived and I lost 3 planes.

[Commando Brado]

@Zombie69:

Well, so far after three turns I’ve had one battle go my way: the 2 INF + 1 FGT managed to kill the 1 INF in Lybia without a loss. Your two transports survived and I lost 3 planes.

I agree. The dice have not been kind to you so far.

[Commando Brado]

I don’t think the battle in SZ14 was such a good move. A two hit BB @ 4, against a @ 2 and a @4. Basically, you’re hoping to hit both rounds w/your SBR and for me to miss w/my BB. The SBR would have been better utilized in SZ7.

Also, the battle in SZ61 was a crap shoot. I’ve done many battles like that where the FTR misses and the DD hits.

I generally try to get my battles at 65% or higher, unless it’s a must or a desperation move. TripleA is very well known for rolling strings of numbers, instead of being truly random. I’ve mentioned this many times to the developers and other AA players agree. The Forum dice are much better.

[Commando Brado]

Need to know if your Sub in SZ53 is going to fight or submerge? I’m attacking w/1 Sub, 1 AC, 1 CC, 3 FTR’s & 1 SBR. Also need OOL?

[Zombie69]

@Commando:

I don’t think the battle in SZ14 was such a good move. A two hit BB @ 4, against a @ 2 and a @4. Basically, you’re hoping to hit both rounds w/your SBR and for me to miss w/my BB. The SBR would have been better utilized in SZ7.

Actually this is a standard move in 1942.2 if you didn’t block with a destroyer or attack mine with a bomber. On average, Germany loses more stuff than UK does, and that’s also stuff that it can ill afford to lose. Basically, you stand to lose Africa, while I only stand to lose a destroyer and a bomber. I thought about sending the bomber to SZ7 instead, but I couldn’t do it because this attack is too game changing and too good to pass up. As it is, the result still isn’t bad for me, because we lost the same amount worth of stuff and now you need to spend money in the water or lose your transport and any hope for Germany in Africa.

Also, the battle in SZ61 was a crap shoot. I’ve done many battles like that where the FTR misses and the DD hits.

Here the standard move is to attack with a fighter and a cruiser. The cruiser is expected to sink either in the attack or the counterattack, so basically UK would be trading a cruiser for a destroyer and a transport, slowing down Japan’s drops. I decided to try with only a fighter (still a battle where on average you lose more than I do) in order to move everything else to the Med since you failed to defend that. I changed my mind in non-combat because even though you couldn’t attack my fleet in the Med, you could have moved all your planes in a way that I couldn’t continue and would have to go around Africa anyway, only losing a turn in the process. So yeah, I should have sent the cruiser as well (and normally do), but this is because I had another plan for it.

I generally try to get my battles at 65% or higher, unless it’s a must or a desperation move. TripleA is very well known for rolling strings of numbers, instead of being truly random. I’ve mentioned this many times to the developers and other AA players agree. The Forum dice are much better.

With all due respect, I would call that either a case of selective memory or a bad understanding of what randomness really means and I’m pretty sure the randomness in TripleA is just fine. If forum dice don’t produce strands of numbers, then I would call those non-random. Truly random numbers aren’t affected by what came before them and so just because you just rolled a 1, doesn’t mean you’re less likely to roll another. So far in TripleA, I haven’t seen anything more extreme than I would see with real dice on a table. I’m a videogame programmer, so I should know what I’m talking about here.

[Zombie69]

@Commando:

Need to know if your Sub in SZ53 is going to fight or submerge? I’m attacking w/1 Sub, 1 AC, 1 CC, 3 FTR’s & 1 SBR. Also need OOL?

The sub will fight in the first round. If you score no hit, I want to know what you lost before I make any decision for round 2. If you get only one hit, I choose the sub. If you get two hits, keep the sub and lose the destroyer and carrier, and then I want to know what you lost before I decide if I want the sub to keep fighting. If you score three hits as you should, I’ll keep the sub and submerge. If you score 4 hits, I’ll just be sad I sent the sub to its death!

[Commando Brado]

You got 3 hits. One w/the Sub(I lost the Sub to your Sub), 2 hits w/the DD & FTR(I lost 2 FTR’s). Does the Sub submerge or fight?

[Commando Brado]

Before you answer I may retreat. Hold on…

[Commando Brado]

@Commando:

You got 3 hits. One w/the Sub(I lost the Sub to your Sub), 2 hits w/the DD & FTR(I lost 2 FTR’s). Does the Sub submerge or fight?

I guess I will retreat to SZ52. For some reason TripleA has the units retreating to SZ44. I will edit using Edit Mode.

[Zombie69]

That’s probably because you can only retreat to a territory or sea zone where at least one of your units was coming from, and you brought every boat through SZ44. Since it made perfect sense for you to bring one of them through SZ52 just in case, you can edit it to that space, no problem.