14L G40 bonusbent (axis) - Whackamatt (Allies+10)

[bonusbent]

I will continue with the battle in TripleA, but the dice results do not count. We can roll the battle on the forum when you have selected your 3 casualties. Feel free to roll your defense :-)

[Whackamatt]

I am debating this one.  Did you know you can post the file with the dice results so I can see it?  Unless you’re on a mac, you can save during the battle and post.  When the select casualties screen comes up, hit cancel.  Then you can save the file and manually upload.

I get to then open the file, see how many hits you’ve got, where the units came from, who’s in the battle, etc.  Piecing it together on the forum is difficult.

I disagree with “the dice results don’t count”.  You can’t roll them up, then say they don’t count.  It looks as though i did pretty well on the rolls (3/4 hits Round 1, 1/2 Round 2, 1/1 Round 3) you’re asking me to disctount, which makes it feel suspicious.  “I’ll just roll it up, and if it goes bad for me, I’ll say it was a mistake and ask for a do-over.”  While I’m not claiming you did that, can you understand how someone on the other side of the internet could interpret it as such?

I’ve been on your end in similar situations, where I attack with overwhelming force and assumed I didn’t need an OOL because it would be obvious or I would just anihilate them Round 1, so I roll it up.  Then I decide for my opponent and don’t ask, and things go badly.  "Oh if only I had asked for his casualties, I wouldn’t have attacked just planes in a SZ where they have no place to land.

As I see it, REGARDLESS of what casualities I select, my rolls should stand as Triple A rolled them.  It was not my mistake to keep rolling before casualties were known.

HOWEVER, in order to be fair and less of an absolutist, I say we use the dice as rolled up to the point where my casualty selection would have made a difference.  As such:

ROUND 1 dice for both sides still apply.  You lose SS, CC, DD, continue on with Bmr Ftr Ftr.  I take 3 hits and now choose to lose 2 Ftr and take a CV hit.

This is where you can decide to keep attacking and we both roll in the forums from this point.  It is a fair compromise.  Let me know if you continue on to sink my CV & CC, and we can roll it up (or not)

[bonusbent]

@Whackamatt:

I am debating this one.  Did you know you can post the file with the dice results so I can see it?  Unless you’re on a mac, you can save during the battle and post.  When the select casualties screen comes up, hit cancel.  Then you can save the file and manually upload.

I get to then open the file, see how many hits you’ve got, where the units came from, who’s in the battle, etc.  Piecing it together on the forum is difficult.

I disagree with “the dice results don’t count”.  You can’t roll them up, then say they don’t count.  It looks as though i did pretty well on the rolls (3/4 hits Round 1, 1/2 Round 2, 1/1 Round 3) you’re asking me to disctount, which makes it feel suspicious.  “I’ll just roll it up, and if it goes bad for me, I’ll say it was a mistake and ask for a do-over.”  While I’m not claiming you did that, can you understand how someone on the other side of the internet could interpret it as such?

I’ve been on your end in similar situations, where I attack with overwhelming force and assumed I didn’t need an OOL because it would be obvious or I would just anihilate them Round 1, so I roll it up.  Then I decide for my opponent and don’t ask, and things go badly.  "Oh if only I had asked for his casualties, I wouldn’t have attacked just planes in a SZ where they have no place to land.

As I see it, REGARDLESS of what casualities I select, my rolls should stand as Triple A rolled them.  It was not my mistake to keep rolling before casualties were known.

HOWEVER, in order to be fair and less of an absolutist, I say we use the dice as rolled up to the point where my casualty selection would have made a difference.  As such:

ROUND 1 dice for both sides still apply.  You lose SS, CC, DD, continue on with Bmr Ftr Ftr.  I take 3 hits and now choose to lose 2 Ftr and take a CV hit.

This is where you can decide to keep attacking and we both roll in the forums from this point.  It is a fair compromise.  Let me know if you continue on to sink my CV & CC, and we can roll it up (or not)

You can check the time you received the first dice result and when I posted…

[bonusbent]

What I should have done was to roll on the forum right from the begining or post a save(if only I had known), but I didnt.

Instead I first fought all other battles, but the one in SZ 97. In SZ97 I then rolled the attack and scored 3 hits. I then posted on the forum and waited for a response, but you were offline. I then posted on the forum again asking you for your OOL. I actually waited for some time. When you didnt answer I posted my last message asking you to ignore the dice results.

[Whackamatt]

@bonusbent:

Instead I first fought all other battles, but the one in SZ 97. In SZ97 I then rolled the attack and scored 3 hits. I then posted on the forum and waited for a response, but you were offline. I then posted on the forum again asking you for your OOL. I actually waited for some time. When you didnt answer I posted my last message asking you to ignore the dice results.

So do you continue on with the naval battle after my three hits?  You didn’t answer.

I have stated my case, and nothing you said above has really changed my opinion.  If the dice results for Round 1 apply for one side, they apply for the other.

1. When the game requires a decision from your opponent, you must wait for them.  The decision for OOL in a battle is no different than if you had a question about scrambling or intercepting.  Hence for larger battles, people sometimes ask for OOL before combat starts, or post turns during.
   2)  You cannot discount valid dice results from the server.  Everything I have in the battle gets a defensive roll, regardless of casualty selection.  The timing of your posts and the dice results are irrelevant.
2. You did not “wait some time”.  It was less than 20 minutes between all of your forum posts.

Let me know if you wish to continue the attack, and we can forum roll any other combat rounds and you can edit in the results.

[bonusbent]

My point is if I ask you to disregard the next dice result(your defense round 1) BEFORE I roll it because I want you to roll it yourself on the forum after you have selected your casualties then I presume you will respect that.

Why should you be allowed to roll your defense first and then select casualties? That is what you would get with your “compromise”.

[bonusbent]

How about we reroll the entire battle in SZ97 on the forum?

[Whackamatt]

@bonusbent:

Why should you be allowed to roll your defense first and then select casualties? That is what you would get with your “compromise”.

BECAUSE YOU MADE THE MISTAKE OF ROLLING.  You asked me to disregard those rolls, and I did not consent to such.  Therefore, because you did not wait for my reply, it is my right to insist upon their use.

My point is you can’t ask someone to throw away legitimite dice rolls.

QUESTION:  Would I still have to roll for all of my units on defense for the first round?
ANSWER:  Yes.

QUESTION:  Would casualty selection have affected what units get to roll?
ANSWER:  No.

QUESTION:  Did you roll those dice through Triple A?
ANSWER:  Yes.

[bonusbent]

@Whackamatt:

@bonusbent:

Why should you be allowed to roll your defense first and then select casualties? That is what you would get with your “compromise”.

BECAUSE YOU MADE THE MISTAKE OF ROLLING.  You asked me to disregard those rolls, and I did not consent to such.  Therefore, because you did not wait for my reply, it is my right to insist upon their use.

Just wow.

[bonusbent]

You can have whatever approach you wish, but to me this a game I play for fun. I do not find this game funny and I do certainly not like your attitude. I suggest we call it a day and just cancel the game. Afterall we are still in round 1.

[Whackamatt]

You can forfeit if that’s what you’re saying.  :evil:

And what attitude is that?  That I insist upon following the rules and etiqutte for forum-based game?  You’re the one with the perplezing inability to accept 3 hits in the grand scheme of a Global 40 game to atone for a mistake you made.

Had your first reply been, “I didn’t know your OOL but clicked through the battle anyway.  Let’s ignore all of it and forum roll / edit  everything.” I would have been more accepting of the mistake.

I am okay with rolling the whole battle in the forum if you wish to continue.

[bonusbent]

Alright. I will roll the battle on the forum tomorrow.

[Whackamatt]

Hey, bonus.  I asked Gamerman to look into it, and his opinion was that you called it prior to rolling, so yours count and mine don’t.  I’ll abide by that, so if you want to keep your three hits, I can select casualties and roll my defense.  I think that’s what you were asking for all aling.  :-P

Let me know….or just start rolling.  :-D

[bonusbent]

I am on my way home now. Got the laptop with me. Feel free to select casualties and then roll. That would be fine  :-)

[Whackamatt]

Let’s see, I have 1 CC, 1 CV, 2 FTR

I take CV hit, & 2 Ftrs as loses.

Carrier
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)

CC
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 01@3: (5)

Ftr x2
Rolls: 2@4; Total Hits: 22@4: (3, 3)

[bonusbent]

Casualties will be DD and Cruiser.

[bonusbent]

If I am not mistaken I got 1 sub, 2 fighters and 1 bomber left.

[Whackamatt]

Yes you do.  Do you want me to roll for you in the forum to keep going?

To forum roll you type

(colon) aaa3@2(colon)

replacing (colon) with an actual colon.  the 1st number is # of rolls, 2nd number is strength.  In the above, that’s 3 2’s (inf) being rolled.

[Whackamatt]

Dang, got the space wrong.  (colon)aaa(space)3@2(colon)

The space does make a difference.

[bonusbent]

Feel free to roll for me. Thank you.